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Archive of User talk:SilverThunder

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Tesla principle

Could you move the Tesla principle to the appropriate spot? Thanks ... Reddi 15:57, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)

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: I moved it to PowerPedia:Tesla principle.

: As a general rule of thumb, paragraph style is encyclopedic format, and bullet style is "directory" format. Eventually, all key topics should have both a "directory" entry as well as a PowerPedia entry.

: Thanks -- Sterling SilverThunder 17:36, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)

Ok thanks (I was thinking the PowerPedia, but wasn't sure) .... as a side note, why does "div" CSS tag set off the spam filter? I was wanting to float a image to the center of a page and set off the filter (has there been a problem with that tag?) ... Reddi 13:42, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)


I've not had one instance of spam since I made that change to the spam filter some time last week. It has been a nice reprieve. If you think having div capability is worth the hassle of spam attack reversals, let me know, and I'll remove it from the spam filter. SilverThunder 19:13, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)

:Good to hear about the spam filter.

:div ia a formatting thing ... mainly postioning presentation elements (like the Directory:MEG 1st image is position by it) ... and it is useful.

: Can you remove 'div' without removing the filter? I would think you could (but I don't want to remove tyhe whole filter) ... but I'd leave it up to you. There are other ways to format the elements ... ex: tables (though that is deprecrated by the W3C they prefer people use CSS ... and it's a bit more elegant).

: Sincerely, Reddi 11:21, 17 Mar 2006 (EST)

I'm aware of the use of the "div" code, and kept it out of the spam filter for several months after installing the spam filter. Finally, though, after seeing that the auto-spam functions consistently use the "div" code, and seeing what a pain it was to go in and remove their automatically installed junk, I finally decided to "div" to the filter. I know it means using work-around stuff, but I guess that's the trade-off. If only we could send all spammers to a cold place in Siberia with no internet access! SilverThunder 12:10, 17 Mar 2006 (EST)

: Oh ... ok ... thanks for the 411 ... I didn't know the spambots were using it ... guess it's time for me to brush up on the wiki-table syntax. Reddi 14:24, 17 Mar 2006 (EST)

Alternatively, you can use regular HTML table syntax. That's what I do. SilverThunder 14:42, 17 Mar 2006 (EST)

Move pages

I've been away and just saw your note from Feb 17 about moving pages. I'm not sure which ones you mean, but they are probably already done. I know the fuel efficiency page was too big and I see it has been subdivided.

John Q. Public March 20 2006

I like your suggestion about a butanol page. I'm just not sure about the details. Do you mean a page at PESWiki with a link from FreeEnergyNews? If so, I assume you left the note because you would like me to set it up. What name should it have? Fuel_Efficiency_Alternative_Fuels_Butanol, Fuel_Efficiency_Alternative_Fuels:Butanol or just Butanol? I don't know how the sub pages are supposed to be named.

I'm wondering if the electric vehicles should be a separate page, and if so should it include hybrids and plug-ins? If EVs is a separate page, should it be consolidated with the electric scooters page?

--John Q. Public 20:56, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

I moved the Electric Vehicles content from the Fuel Efficiency Vehicles page. On the FreeEnergyNews Electric Vehicles page there is a link to the Fuel Efficiency Vehicles page at the top and the bottom, but no link to the new PESWiki Electric Vehicles page.

--John Q. Public 22:15, 1 Jun 2006 (EDT)


By typesetting for the Energy Suppression page do you mean adding in the headers similar to the three that are already done? I will do that. Or did you mean something else? I'm just not sure exactly what you have in mind.

--John Q. Public 18:34, 5 Jun 2006 (EDT)


I like the way you have many topics listed on the left side at FreeEnergyNews. PESWiki only has Fuel Efficiency, H from Water and Home Generation as individual Directory links. I think you should add more below them. I suggest you could start with Directory:Solar since many people are familiar with that topic and then maybe add some of the more popular pages. Pages with links to other pages like the Engines page would be good. The Directory page can be slow to load for those without high speed internet. How much of the front page am I allowed to change? The Bourke engine and Electrocharger have been there forever. Those items should be changed from time to time. If you don't like the extra links on the left could I add a mini directory on the front page?

--John Q. Public 00:28, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Thanks for the suggestion. I've added a few more links. (will update in a while). Eventually I would like to move all the major directories presently at over to PESWiki where they can be collaboratively built and updated.

: Feel free to update the home page features. Just let me know what you do, other than updated the "latest" links.

: One thing I would like to see done is to have the directory page streamlined. It's way too big. I'm not sure yet how to do that, but something needs to be done. Maybe we could have a comprehensive directory index to supplement the main directory index, so that whenever we create a good page, we can list it both alphabetically as a bullet, with title, image, and description, as well as in the tree, with a single line depicing it's PESWiki name. As a section of that directory gets over 32 kb, we could split it in half. We could create a template with an index of pages in the directory, so we would only have to update that file, and all the directory listing pages would be updated at the same time. Feel free to take some initiative on embarking on that project, if you are so inclined.

: Eventually, as we have enough primary directory pages, such as solar, wind, etc. -- too many to list in the left-hand column of the site -- we could then create a template to display the directory listings, either at the top or bottom of each directory page. Going down the right column wouldn't really be a good idea because if there is a right-justified image on a directory page, all the content following it, and including it, are bumped to below the bottom of the navigation column. This hasn't been much of a problem with the NEC right-hand navigation template, but it has been on the Joe cell project pages.

: -- SilverThunder 20:05, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I've seen some other sites split their pages alphabetically. The directory could have A-G on page one, H-M on page two, etc. At the top and bottom there could be links for the various ranges and perhaps a forward and backward button.

In the short term the easiest thing to do would be to separate the Developed Listings and Directory Tree into two pages. The Alphabetical Sequence could be subdivided by letter or group of letters (but still on one page) to make editing easier.

I may copy the directory to some new pages to try different layouts. That way I can experiment without touching the original directory. It would be like art. "I know what I like when I see it." Then you could look at it and see if you like it.

For now what I'd like to do on the main page is change the items listed under PESWiki Directory. I'd like to change them regularly, perhaps once a week. Right now there are four items, two with pictures. I'm thinking of keeping that format or else have three items with pictures. This would be similar to updating the latest additions. Do you need a message here when I do that?

--John Q. Public 21:15, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Yes, the "A-G" etc. is a feasible format. We should probably split it into four pages to start.

: I like your idea of rotating directory link contents. What will determine if there are three or four is if a particular bullet item(s) does not have an image. If all have images, let's only go with three. Otherwise, four would be fine. You don't need to notify me when you make these changes. I catch most everything done on the site by RSS feed, and will probably note it there, and that will be fine. I would just like to know when there are other changes on the home page that fall outside these routines.

: Feel free to make additional recommendations regarding the left-hand column contents and sequence.

: -- SilverThunder 21:47, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

For the left side directory listing I like alphabetical sequence. I think Nanotechnology should be included. The main Joe Cell directory should be included. I see the Bill Williams Joe Cell page is listed twice once under "featuring" and again under Open Source. That might be too many if the main Joe Cell directory were added under the Directory section, making three Joe Cell links. Some other directories that are possibilities are Batteries, Thermal Electric, Wind Energy and Electrolysis. These need some work but they are more likely to get it if they are linked to the main page. I don't know if it is just because I'm biased, but I like the idea of the Electric Vehicles page being listed on the left side. It might be a popular topic as a result of the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car?".

I sent you an e-mail as requested but I haven't received a reply so I am back here where I am comfortable.

--John Q. Public 19:22, 15 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Thanks for the directory link suggestions. I'm integrated all of them except the wind directory. It's not developed well enough yet. It's great over at, but not here.

: as for email, your subject line choice must have not enable me to detect the message as I scanned through my filtered mail. Next time, be sure to reply to the challenge message that you will receive, clicking on the link and identifying yourself, then the message will go into my inbox, and won't get lost amidst the spam.

: By the way, we got that suppression index taken care of.

: -- SilverThunder 23:01, 16 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I see Electrolysis twice but no Directory:Nanotechnology.

: Fixed. Thanks. -- SilverThunder 21:25, 19 Jun 2006 (EDT)

--John Q. Public 19:38, 19 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I sent you another e-mail but did not receive a challenge message. I don't want to post it here due to possible spam. I don't use my e-mail much for other purposes, so I actually like this better.

When I was working on the wind directory I was using Directory:Wind Power. I noticed on the top 100 page there are links to Directory:Wind. I combined the contents and made them the same. Now I think it is worthy of a link on the left. One should be deleted. Wind_Power is in the directory tree, but Wind is a better name.

--John Q. Public 19:45, 22 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Yes, "Wind" is the most appropriate title. I'm preplexed as to why I've not received your email. You sent it to sterlingda at ?

: On the Wind directory, let's eliminate the separate heading "at PESWiki" and put those items in the proper sections, adding headings: "Plans" and "Floating on the Sea" and "Floating in the Air".

: As a general principle, the best technologies should be listed first, whether or not there is a feature page for them at PESWiki. Ideally, we will get around soon to creating a feature pag for whatever is the best technology. Until then, a link outside of PESWiki is fine to be listed first, if it is the best.

: Likewise, the most feasible approaches should be listed first, down to the least feasible. Unless there are "plans" or "open source projects", in which case I like to list those first. Generally, the progression on a page goes from most feasible and implemented to least feasible, including links at the end to skeptics coverage on the topic. I think you generally do this. -- SilverThunder 23:11, 22 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I just sent you another e-mail. I copied what you typed above and replaced the word at with @ (as I did before) and deleted the spaces. The subject is energy. It's from netzero.

I always saw the "At PESWiki" on other pages so I thought that was what you wanted. Sometimes it is a matter of opinion what is best or most feasible. Implemented is definitely better than prototype. I like pictures near the top of the page to attract attention. I tend to add new things at the bottom. I will try to consider the best to worst arrangement. Sometimes I arrange things to space out the pictures evenly.

--John Q. Public 23:50, 22 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: The "At PESWiki" is something I typically use on very short pages that are just starting out. Once a page matures, then those items get integrated into the appropriate sub-topics. The "arrange things to space out the pictures evenly" is something I do too, among items for which there is not particular hierarchal sequence due to quality. In other words, when I'm not particularly sure which is better than another, and there is just a string of items, then I will sequence according to what looks good balance wise. However, if I have a good feel for what is better technology-wise, then that takes first priority for sequence. I think you would agree with this, based on what I've seen of your work, which is excellent. -- SilverThunder 00:17, 23 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Hi User:John Q. Public

: I see you started the Directory:Tree and alphabetical listing pages, with a temporary main directory index: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[16]. Nice.

: For the header/footer, let's use a template function so as pages are divided/added we don't have to redo each header & footer on each page, but we only need to redo the header/footer template once. There was an error working with the wiki: Code[17] will be inserted as Directory







: Let's include a link to the tree from the alphabetical header/footer as well.

: -- SilverThunder 23:05, 26 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I don't understand your last sentence. Don't I already have a link to the tree on the header/footer for the alphabetical pages?

--John Q. Public 23:22, 26 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Indeed you do. Looks good. Let's add the following at the end of each page:

See also

- Directory







: I added it to the A- page.

: With that, I think it's ready to go live, so go ahead and replace Directory with the contents at There was an error working with the wiki: Code[18].... I'll add a link "(tree)" in the left hand column when it's ready.

: Thanks. SilverThunder 01:23, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I want to change There was an error working with the wiki: Code[19] to a more detailed version of the left links, but with only generic topics. I want to do it in alphabetical sequence, so I want to remove the sections I have there now.

What do you think of the details under A-I of There was an error working with the wiki: Code[20]? I like all the links, but it's a bit busy. I wouldn't want to list them vertically though, because it would make the page too long. I still need to do the other two sections, unless you don't like it.

--John Q. Public 20:26, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: Regarding the details under A-I, I would prefer to keep it to about 20 of the best, rather than a comprehensive listing. "..." can signify that there is more.

: As for the Tree, one of the things I've been wanting to do is to eliminate the "conventional" and "un-conventional" classifications and group these two listings together in a way that makes sense (haven't thought about that yet). After we have that organized, then we can create a mini version of that on the main directory page.

: Let's add a "Latest" section to the main directory page, to feature the main new pages created, similar to how we do on the home page.

: For now, let's remove the "featured" heading and replace it with a heading to the effect "In association with the New Energy Congress".

: Somehow we need to get more color by way of images on the main directory page.

: -- SilverThunder 21:19, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Yes, limiting the Directory to a few of the best is good. There is more detail just a click away.

I disagree about the "Latest" on the Directory page. It would be a duplication and something to maintain. A permanent link with a header could be good though.

Color and images are good. I will think about it.

--John Q. Public 22:27, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

User Issues

The links by User:Skodati are all to and They are off topic to the pages on which they are posted. I think he is trying to improve his search position with lots of links.

--John Q. Public 22:49, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: I'll increase the ban duration. Let's undo his links. I think the fastest way to do that is to have two browsers open, one with the list of contribs, then cutting and pasting the url into the other browser, hitting the history button, then compare, then "rollback". That will only work on pages on which his change was the last one done.

: From a glance it looks like he did around 100 pages. Would you mind doing this? SilverThunder 23:11, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I'll do that tomorrow if you can wait. My day job keeps getting in the way. I have a few more years before retirement. --John Q. Public 23:58, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

: That would be fine. Thanks. SilverThunder 09:15, 28 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Re: Hydrogen Links

I'm having difficulties getting focused on the hydrogen topics. There seem to be to a lot of categories for hydrogen: hydrogen, hydrogen from water, solar hydrogen, hydrogen powered car, hydrogen fuel cell, hydrogen from biomass, hydrogen injection for IC engines. I'd like to think about it some more before starting. --John Q. Public 22:01, 4 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: It's a huge topic. Be sure to consider the sub-divisions I have at -- Sterling SilverThunder 17:09, 5 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Main page redesign?

Could I redesign the front page? something like ...

Any of these look good?

I'd do a mock up before a switch ... just formatting. All the content will still be there.Just wondering. Reddi 10:39, 12 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: Hi Reddi. I think a redesign would be good. All of the examples you cited are well done per the contents they feature. I would envision a mixture of these styles appropriate to our content. Perhaps an incremental change would be good, too. We want PESWiki regulars to be able to find their way around and not be thrown off by too radical a change from how things are organized now. Go ahead and build a mock-up. SilverThunder 13:11, 12 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:: Goto Talk:Main Page to see comments. Reddi 11:47, 13 Jul 2006 (EDT)


Might consider incorporating Cite.php

Reddi 09:41, 13 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Main Page's

Is there a way to get rid of the main page's "Main Page" at the top pf that page? If you goto the links above, you'll notice that the 1st entry page at all the sites do not have the "page title" (like User:, User talk:, User contributions, etc...) at the top on that 1st page. Is tehre a way that that can be removed? Just wondering. Reddi 10:48, 13 Jul 2006 (EDT)

New Page

I wonder if I'm combining two ideas on one new page There was an error working with the wiki: Code[21]? Maybe it should be called Directory:Cavitation Heaters and drop the Frenette material. Do you have any suggestions? --John Q. Public 00:07, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: How about moving the cavitation stuff to Directory:Cavitation Heaters and make a prominant link from There was an error working with the wiki: Code[22] to Directory:Cavitation Heaters. And when there is enough Frenette material, you can create a separate page for that, also linked from Friction Heaters. SilverThunder 11:21, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Main Page

I put in the new header in the main page. It's at the Template:MainPageHeaderBanner. I locked the header too. Reddi 15:15, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: Nice work. The temp main page is looking nice. Go ahead and move it over to the main page. I removed "questions". Not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by that feature. Maybe a better word would be "ask". Eventually it would be nice to have a good FAQ page. Another day.

: I'll have to ask my server guys if they know how to remove "Main_Page" from the main page url. Considering how many pages on the site link to that, I'm not sure I want to mess with it. -- SilverThunder 21:13, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:I'll see if I can hunt down how wiki handels that. I would suppose that it's something that has to do with the page name and the conversion/presentation to the browser. Not sure how the wikimedia projects mask it or hide it somehow. It's not urgent. Just be more appealing / professional I think. Reddi 10:36, 17 Jul 2006 (EDT)

New Pages

Anti-Gravity is "ready". I am not going to add anything else to it. Getting a bit out of my league on that page anywasy (not up on all the info on it), but it's a good start.

Testatika pages 'is not "ready". I have alot of work to do to it. Reddi 16:19, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: Oops. You'll have to forgive my exuberance. I began featuring the Testatika page this morning at, I just added it to the header of the PES Network sites, and have added it to the navigation column under "latest". I plan to feature the anti-grav page tomorrow. -- SilverThunder 21:04, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Acknowledgements and Related Sites

Do you have any images that I can use for the Acknowledgements and Related Sites in the Main page temp bottom? Reddi 17:31, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: Just use the PES Network logo. Image:PES Logo 95x94.gif -- SilverThunder 21:21, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Google update?

When does google scan / spider the PESWiki? just wondering ... Reddi 11:04, 18 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: I don't have a close view of the log files (I have access just havn't taken the time to figure it out). My guess, based on how fast I can find a PESWiki page on Google after it has posted, is between 7-14 days. One of things I like to do, which Google also likes, is to feature the new key pages at the top margin of every page at,, and, as well as the left-hand margin at So whenever you get a new page ready to go, be sure to let me know so I can feature it. The best way to bring this to my attention is to post it under "latest" on the home page, as well as on the Latest page. That way it's nearly all ready to go, and all I have to do is cut and paste it over to, etc. SilverThunder 13:02, 18 Jul 2006 (EDT)


Could you move up the toolbox in the left. It's had to use when it's at the bottom (and isn't very big). just wondering. Reddi 16:08, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)

I think that you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the pages ... but the tool box at the left side of the screen. Under (Searching options) @ the bottom. it's below the "Navigation" thing. Ppl use that quite a bit (and alot of editors do more than just visitors). Just thought that it could be moved up so you didn't have to scroll to the bottom of the list. Reddi 19:01, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)

The practical matter is that the ratio of people who edit versus the number of visotors is very low. For that reason, I opt to keep the tools box where it is. Too bad there is not an option to move that up or down for individual users. SilverThunder 19:22, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Ok ... mabey later when more ppl sign up to edit. Just a bitch to scroll down. Thanks for the response though. Reddi 19:29, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)

I actually find it is easier to locate at the end of the left column rather than tucked part way down. I can visually scan to the end of the column and know it's right there. SilverThunder 19:41, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)

New Templates

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[1]

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[2]

I just made 2 new templates.



It takes 2 parameters. The term with pluses (+). And then the display term.

So if I wanted to look up PES sites and images. I would put in brackets GoogleWeb|Pure+Energy+Systems|PES ... and ... GoogleImage|Pure+Energy+Systems|PES

That would give me the things on the right in boxes.

Do you think other search engin templates may be good? Anyways I hope they aren't bad ... Reddi 15:37, 20 Jul 2006 (EDT)

I did a Template:GoogleNews too. Reddi 17:11, 20 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: Very nice. Rather than "Sites of ..." how about the wording be "Google > ..." For images: "Google images > ...", etc.

: Also helpful (very much so) would be a search feature that looks within the family of four PES Network sites, for a given term.,,, It could be labeled: "Google Search of PES Network sites for ...". We should feature these search capabilities in the "searching options" page you created.

: Let's lock these template pages.

: One other little thing. Would you mind changing my TOC on this page to left, with the "related links" on the right as you had it before. I liked it that way. I appreciate you setting that up for me. SilverThunder 18:44, 20 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:: Did the toc thing [I had trapped it in the floating table by putting in a = header = in the table structure] ...

:: I'll look into the "Google >" things ... but definitely lock 'em ... I'll also look @ a "family of four" template and what I can do there about a search box. Reddi 09:42, 24 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Wikimedia|free_energy|free energy

Anoter template:

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[3]

How to use it is at There was an error working with the wiki: Code[23]

: Very good.

: What would be real nice is if we had one tool that did all this stuff


Google searches

PES Network searches

: What we should do, is have a section near the end that has all these 'see also' types of resources, well laid out, in a standard manner. Then all we would need to do is enter the key search phrase once, and the tool would fill in all the blanks. A possible name for this section on the page could be "Search "keyword".

: First listed would be the PES Network resources (left-hand column), then Google (left-hand column), then Mediawiki (right-hand column).

: -- SilverThunder 18:37, 24 Jul 2006 (EDT)


made a welcome message ....


Reddi 17:19, 24 Jul 2006 (EDT)

The red links I'll attack ASAP. But this would be a good way to welcome new editors. Reddi 17:24, 24 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: I don't know if you saw my There was an error working with the wiki: Code[14] page.

I put that Contents&oldid=23144 info in the talk page of the Help:Contents, I'll recycle that stuff. I'll look at the "at-a-glance" stuff too. Reddi

: Just wanted to say briefly that I really appreciate all that you are doing to beef up the infrastructure here. Nice work! If you don't mind, I would like to add your name to the "contact" page (linked to your user profile), as the "local wiki expert." SilverThunder 10:06, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:: Don't mention it ... I hope other ppl will join in.

:: I'm not a wiki expert ... but I'll help when I can. Direct them to the H:Q page. That is where the questions should go. Reddi 10:35, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

::: While you might not be as knowledgeable at wiki as some at Wikipedia, you certainly are the most knowledgeble among those of use routinely contributing at PESWiki. Therefore, I would like to acknowledge you as such, if you wouldn't mind. SilverThunder 11:56, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:: Ok ... but try to point to H:Q ... as that way everyone can answer qustions. Reddi 13:47, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)


I sent you a mail ... too bad PESWiki doesn't have There was an error working with the wiki: Code[24] function. I don't check my mail often, so make a note of it in my talk page. Reddi 15:06, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: It used to work. I don't know what happened to it. Over my head. SilverThunder 15:17, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

I sent another mail to you. USER:REDDI as the subject. Reddi 17:10, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)


Doing this PESWiki:Overview FAQ ... u may want to check it from time to time. Reddi 15:41, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Ocean Wave Directory

I just noticed Directory:Ocean Wave Energy has been redirected. Is it being replaced with something else like There was an error working with the wiki: Code[25] or Directory:Sea Wave Energy, or does it need to be restored? The link on the left still uses the Ocean Wave Energy Directory. --John Q. Public 00:20, 26 Jul 2006 (EDT)

: I restored it to its most recent version prior to the redirect applied by a new user.

: We need to combine Directory:Sea Wave Energy and Directory:Ocean Wave Energy and then redirect Directory:Sea Wave Energy over to Directory:Ocean Wave Energy. It wouldn't hurt to create at PowerPedia version of this page, an move such things as the FAQ content there. The There was an error working with the wiki: Code[26] page should be an index of all things "wave". It is a much broader subject, and should include a link to Directory:Ocean Wave Energy. SilverThunder 00:52, 26 Jul 2006 (EDT)

capitalization a file name

did I mess up capitalization a file name? Reddi 10:42, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: I'm guessing it is a carry over from the convetion at Wikipedia, when they only initial-cap the first word in a page title name. As a webmaster and writer, I don't like that convention. It's not consistent with the publishing world in general.

: Yes, I notice that many of the pages you are creating in the help section are like this, for example, I had already created "Help:Uploading Images", and you then created "Help:Uploading images". I redirected that new, empty page to the former populated location, and updated the links from the three pages where you created links.

: Let's not be too anal about fixing past instances, but try to stick with it in all new naming.

: Keep up the great work. -- Sterling SilverThunder 10:54, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Moved a few pages and corrected the redirects. Tell me if I missed any ... Reddi 10:55, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Redirects could be used to "solve" fixing past instances and misspelling. Reddi 10:56, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Let's go with both instances (initial caps and not) for the root redirectes, for the sake of mediawiki convention site users. SilverThunder 10:58, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Also, generally speaking, let's avoid changing the naming on well-established pages, because they are listed that way in the search engines and other sites that have picked them up. We'll just have to live with less-than-conventional naming on those pages. For example, after I had highlighted and featured a new page, I noticed that I did a typo and had "Director:" instead of "Directory:" I just left it alone. SilverThunder 11:01, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)


made a new template to find wikipedia articles that could be imported .... Template:WP2PW

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[4]

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[5]

Reddi 13:32, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: I'm not clear as to how you intend to employ this tool. Would it be inserted in a page? Is it designed to see what is available at Wikipedia under that name? It seems actually going to WikiPedia and confirming an applicable related page and linking directly to that specific page would be the best course. -- SilverThunder 13:44, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

For pages like PowerPedia/Technologies. It's only a temporary thing ... but allows quick check here and there. It is designed to see what is available at Wikipedia under that name. wikipedia: tag in There was an error working with the wiki: Code[27] will link to WP page if it exists. Reddi

Expand template?

Do you think a "expand" template would be useful? Mabey a box stating that the article needs exdpansion ... and ways to sign up so that the article can be expanded? A template:expand could go ...

: ''Please expand this article. This is a technology-related article needing expansion. You can help PESWiki by expanding it. After<pesn type=:There was an error working with the wiki: Code[7]" str="logging in"></pesn>, click the "edit" link above. Further information might be found in a section of the There was an error working with the wiki: Code[15]. Please remove this message once the article has been expanded.

What to you think?

Reddi 11:41, 3 Aug 2006 (EDT) (note the TalkThere was an error working with the wiki: Code[10]:There was an error working with the wiki: Code[11] doesn't work here ... but it works in the pages themselves ... why I do not know right now ... =-?)

: I think that's a great idea. Rather than create a new template, how about we change There was an error working with the wiki: Code[28] into this function. That way, all previous locations where it already exists will carry this new message. Keep up the great work. -- Sterling SilverThunder 12:45, 3 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Which one is better?

I like this ...

But this could be good ...

The returnto isn't working ... I'll figure it out later ...

Oh, BTW, I thought that I might ask that if you knew that PESWiki is at There was an error working with the wiki: Code[29] MediaWiki 1.4.15 (wikipedia is at MediaWiki 1.8alpha (r15928)). Is an upgrade possible?

Just wondering ... Reddi

: I like the first one's color scheme. The wording could be streamlined a bit. It seems a little redundant.

: The reason we are using 1.4.15 is because it is highly stable. I'm subscribed to the MediaWiki discussion list, and the number of mild distress emails that come in about things not working in the upgrades kind of scared me away. If you know of a good, stable upgrade version, which has ample reasons to upgrade, let me know, and I'll put the host on task to do it. It costs a bit do so, so let's only do it if the benefits make it worth while. -- Sterling SilverThunder 15:47, 3 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Nope, I don't really keep up on that info ... just was wondering ... thought I'd ask ... no rush ... mabey after they work out the bugs then ...

I might make a new page There was an error working with the wiki: Code[12] with a date function. This to see if we can get a idea of when the pages were marked. Something a bit more descriptivce to use ... New Page:april 7 2007 etc ... mabey later ...

A {| width=85% align=center class="expansion" style="background: #F8EABA border: 1px solid #aaa padding: .2em margin-bottom: 3px font-size: 95%"

| style="padding-right: 4px padding-left: 4px" |
Image:Wiki letter w.png

| It is requested that this article (or a section of this article) be expanded.

See the request at PESWiki:Requests for expansion or elsewhere on this talk page.


There was an error working with the wiki: Code[2] may be good too ... but that is for another day .... 16:46, 3 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: I can see a section expand command, but I would think we would want to incorporate the date function into There was an error working with the wiki: Code[30]. SilverThunder 17:02, 3 Aug 2006 (EDT)

tutorial and introduction

Need a check over PESWiki:Introduction and PESWiki:Tutorial. Thanks Reddi 14:01, 8 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Hi J.D.

: I like the look of what you are doing. The tabs at the top of the page are a neat feature. I'm wondering, though, if the right-hand navigation column isn't closer to what we want, due to the number of relevant pages. We'll run out of space across the top because of the number of help pages.

: I noted on the PESWiki:Introduction and the PESWiki:Tutorial pages that there is no mention of the content focus of PESWiki. A simple sentence to the effect that our topic is "Cutting-edge, clean energy technologies" in the first or second sentence would suffice.

: Speaking of the number of help pages, I'm wondering if maybe we aren't trying to expand this too fast. It seems we have a lot of overlap from one page name and content to another. I'm guessing that we could cut the number of help pages in half, and have increased clarity and brevity. The PESWiki:Introduction page seems redundant to the purpose of PESWiki:Welcome.

: Having a slew of help pages can be overwhelming to the beginner. They might tend to think that they have so far to go before they learn what they need to know to begin contributing.

: Perhaps a "getting started" page, featured prominantly among all the help pages, which gives them just the very basics needed to begin operating on the site, would be a good idea. That would help avert the feeling of being overwhelmed that might otherwise hit the newcomer.

: Such a page should be short and sweet and very simple, talking about how to hit the "edit" link, entering or modifying conent, then previewing and saving. That's about all they need to know to get started. That page could also make reference to the attribute buttons at the top of the edit box, simply explaining that all you need to do is block out the text, then click on the button to add the attribute. Note that mouse-over of the buttons tells what each does.

: Rather than branch out quickly on the help pages, let's complete a few and get them in good shape, then pull in some more. The priority should be on the core functions, then spreading out to the more advanced functions.

: I like the idea of the Tutorial section, with the flowing links from one section to the next. Rather than have the tutorials as a separate help section, why not combine the tutorial feel with the basic help page content, to avoid duplication of content, and thus watering down of quality of content. It's easier to keep one "starting a new page" page in top shape, than two -- one for the help function and one for the tutorial function.

: To help keep things straight, as to what has been done and what has not, let's have the help navigation function list all the completed pages only, not the uncompleted ones then have one link to an idex page of pages "in composition". E.g. There was an error working with the wiki: Code[31]

: Let's also work on trimming out redundant pages to get rid of the duplication.

: We may also want to have a separate navigation for some of the advanced help functions, such as advanced table function, or templates explanations, etc. So on the general help navigation there would be a single link to "Advanced", then all the advanced pages would have a single link to the main help page, as well as the "Welcome" and possibly the "Getting Started" pages (in case a beginner happens upon the advanced page and wants to get back to something more basic).

: Perhap that is where the upper tabs could come in. Any introductory help document would come under the "Introduction" tab. Any basic functions documents would come under a "Basic Functions" tab. Any advanced functions would come under the "Advanced" tab. Clicking on a tab would take one to an index of help pages in that category. I don't know what is involved in this tab functionality, and perhaps what I'm describing is not supported. If so, we'll just drop the top tab function.

: Thanks SilverThunder 10:56, 9 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Tried to improve the pages ...

# placed more mentions of the content focus of PESWiki.

# PESWiki:Introduction is more of a walkthrough (which eventually leads to the tutorial) where PESWiki:Welcome just a statement page with the greeting and salutations.

# redirected a "Getting started" page (... I'll work on an entry or find a place for info on attribute buttons and the mouse-over thing ...) [note: this page is incorporated into the help:contents sitemap page, so the text can't be on that page itself ... or that is what I'd have done]

# the short and sweet and very simple page is at PESWiki:Quick guide

I'll also try to focus on the core functions and try to trim out redundant pages. I'll merge the Help:Format (# At-a-glance codes refresher) with one of the other pages, also.

I don't think that a "Introduction" tab would be necessary ... but a few There was an error working with the wiki: Code[32]s of There was an error working with the wiki: Code[33], There was an error working with the wiki: Code[34], etc., would be good. Instead of a tab, a template to handle the simple and the more complex things would be easy to do. I'll try to make up a "Advanced" (eg., "Advanced Functions") template and a "Simple" (eg., "Basic Functions") template later ...

I'll comment later more on this ...

Sincerely, Reddi 15:07, 9 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Looking good. On the PESWiki:Quick guide page, let's make the navigation column smaller. Presently the "quick guide" text is in blue, in a box by itself, to the left of the links. I'm guessing that this is a glitch, and that you meant to have "Quick guide" as a header in the same column as the links. That is how we should have it. SilverThunder 19:36, 9 Aug 2006 (EDT)


Need to make a vandal template ... and related pages to deal with people like Reddi 15:40, 9 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Here you go: Template:Vandal

: By the way, are your permissions set to enable you to ban users? Feel free to do so at your discretion. For spam and porn posters, I apply a 364-day ban (I don't think the system allows anything longer than that). For obnoxious situations, where imature scientists are going at each other, the ban is much shorter, e.g. two days. SilverThunder 19:34, 9 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Congress:Top 100 Technologies -- RD entry images

The images on Congress:Top 100 Technologies -- RD page ... they don't stack well in Mozilla. I'll try to get a work around. They need a break line to float to the right ... Internet Explorer handles it differently ... so IE users don't notice. Reddi 15:15, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Put in:

br style="clear:right"

Reddi 15:24, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Go ahead and implement your work-around. SilverThunder 16:13, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

This Week

I cannot get This Week in New Energy™

to play. WiMP says it cannot reocognize the files. And the realplayer files have a munged header in the download.

Is it this computer I'm at or ... ??? ...

Also you need also to update

It's got "ENTER TEXT HERE" ....

Sincerely, Reddi 15:53, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: The text entry is waiting on me. It's about an hour-long task I've not gotten to yet. The first two files in TWIFE were having problems. I need to update that page. Files are uploaded, just need to link to them. another 1-hour task. SilverThunder 16:20, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Ok ... thought that I'd give you the heads up on it ... 16:30, 10 Aug 2006 (EDT)

BioPerformance Fuel

Directory:BioPerformance Fuel

Directory:BioPerformance Fuel:Dealers

Reddi 09:36, 11 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've reverted the pages and removed the previously-posted promotional link to a different product that didn't have to do with fuel efficiency. See my comment to the user at There was an error working with the wiki: Code[35]. -- SilverThunder 11:16, 11 Aug 2006 (EDT)

TechWeek templates

: The Talk:PowerPedia/Technologies has the index set for right now ... It's a autorollover for Variable CURRENTWEEK (which currently is There was an error working with the wiki: Code[13]). The listing will change each week and each set will be displayed 4 time a year (until the tech list get more filled out, atleast). This is how it's listed:

: Template:PPTechWeek1 AZ

: Template:PPTechWeek2 BY

: Template:PPTechWeek3 CX

: Template:PPTechWeek4 DW

: Template:PPTechWeek5 EV

: Template:PPTechWeek6 FU

: Template:PPTechWeek7 GT

: Template:PPTechWeek8 HS

: Template:PPTechWeek9 IR

: Template:PPTechWeek10 JQ

: Template:PPTechWeek11 KP

: Template:PPTechWeek12 LO

: Template:PPTechWeek13 MN

:26 letters 26/2=13 pages 413=52 entries 52 weeks in a year.

:I'll try not to red link (unpopulated content). Some is good ... but too much is bad. Most links should be set to the article that is desired in the linked page, but for a search the "keyword index" will list out the possible destination. Reddi 09:48, 15 Aug 2006 (EDT)


I wouldn't worry too much on it. I have resigned myself from wikipedia for the most part. Between the internet trolls, the POV pushers, and the self-righteous editor, the content of wikipediblog will suffer.

Mabey look into:

Meatball: Biggest wikis

WikiIndex - a wiki of wiki

WikiWikiWeb: long list of public wiki forums

I also look at Wikinfo (an internet encyclopedia) for more strable content.

Reddi 10:16, 15 Aug 2006 (EDT)


You might be interested in this ....

Reddi 16:31, 16 Aug 2006 (EDT)

I'm quite sure we have something like that installed already. I've sent an email to our server guy to check for sure. Thanks. SilverThunder 16:48, 16 Aug 2006 (EDT)

He said: "Something like that yes. This is what you have installed:

Using the Meta-wiki Blacklist.

SilverThunder 20:27, 16 Aug 2006 (EDT)

PowerPedia:Heat engin ... Heat engine@navigation

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[36] ... that is the page linked to for Heat engine @navigation (under the search option @ left) 16:52, 18 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Moot issue? -- SilverThunder 15:01, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

Pages to Build

I was just about to get started on the hydrogen topics you mentioned earlier. Do you want to add those to the Meeting Room? --John Q. Public 21:07, 18 Aug 2006 (EDT)

: The meeting room listing is more for announcing topics that aren't already understood as to who will be doing them. Kind of a "if you get a moment, and the topic interests you, have at it" list. SilverThunder 21:36, 18 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Take a look at the Energy Tower links I added to the meeting room pages to build. Is this something new? Some of the links seem old, but I don't recall seeing this topic before. Is it worth covering? --John Q. Public 22:44, 28 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Is this what you are talking about? Directory:Down-Draft Energy Tower -- SilverThunder 15:01, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

FreeEnergyNews Archives

At the bottom of the main page under Archives there is a list of months. The August one links to July. After going to August with the More August News link, at the bottom below Continue back in time, the link to July 2006 is labelled as July 2005.

Is there anywhere for readers to report a broken link? --John Q. Public 19:21, 30 Aug 2006 (EDT)

The link to Hydrogen Age under Other Energy News Resources is giving me error 502 Bad Gateway. --John Q. Public 19:42, 30 Aug 2006 (EDT)

It would be good to create a There was an error working with the wiki: Code[37] page. I'm not sure what you are referring to about arachives on the main page. Perhaps Reddi took care of it? -- SilverThunder 15:01, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

The Archives I'm talking about are at the bottom of (see header for this section) --John Q. Public 15:13, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

Oh. Got it. Thanks. -- SilverThunder 15:25, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)


I posted a couple of recent items to News as requested. I'm not sure I know what is hot or newsworthy. To me, anything I haven't personally seen is news. One thing I like about Keelynet is there are usually several items each day. That way I have a better chance of seeing a topic that interests me. I don't care if it is a timely issue. From a reader's perspective it is nice to go the front page and see a lot of new items every day. I wonder if the News for PESWiki should be done similarly to the Latest, with the most recent few items on the main page, and a link to the News page. That way, even if you had already covered it at FreeEnergyNews, or didn't consider it a hot issue, at least PESWiki readers would have a reason to visit the site more often. --John Q. Public 20:02, 30 Aug 2006 (EDT)

I posted some past items to see what it would look like to have a PESWiki News page similar to the Latest page. It was just for test purposes and can be erased. --John Q. Public 23:34, 31 Aug 2006 (EDT)

That is a very welcome feature. Nice job. Keep it up! -- SilverThunder 15:01, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

What do you think about changing the main page to include bullet item news like this Directory:Main Page With PESWiki News? --John Q. Public 17:29, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

Looks Good. Go for it. That would be a nice addition. -- SilverThunder 17:48, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

I tried to change it but got this message:

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

The following text is what triggered our spam filter: http: slash slash pesn dot com. I had to change the // and .com here because it wouldn't let me leave this message due to the spam filter.

--John Q. Public 21:07, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

There is a system problem right now. I've submitted a ticket to the site hosting service to see if they can't figure it out. -- SilverThunder 21:08, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)


Thank you for welcome!. --Fabexplosive 09:26, 9 Oct 2006 (EDT)


relply @ User talk:Reddi. Reddi 10:20, 24 Oct 2006 (EDT)

FE week down?

Seems that the podcast is down.

Reddi 11:59, 8 Nov 2006 (EST)

: It's working now. SilverThunder 14:06, 8 Nov 2006 (EST)

Re: Wave power recommendation

I have difficulty with picking the best companies or technology. I'm more of a web search guy. However, I think for Tidal companies I like Directory:Blue Energy which you already have, and also Verdant Power which seems to be close to production in New York. For wave power I like Directory:AquaBuOY and also Ocean Power Delivery because their Pelamis seems to be ready. The Pelamis is also part of the Wave Hub project.

--John Q. Public 21:18, 10 Nov 2006 (EST)

: Thanks -- SilverThunder 21:24, 10 Nov 2006 (EST)


Hi Sterling. I am a little confused. When I add a page, for instance a definition page of a particular term, what department should it be in? I have been putting them in no department because I thought they were definition pages, kinda outside of any single department. Should I put them in a particular department?

Nseidm1 22:41, 27 Dec 2006 (EST)

Regarding Last Note on my Talk Page

Ahha. Can do. Nseidm1 10:21, 29 Dec 2006 (EST)

A note

What an incredible company (Citizenr? Corp). The philosophy is "why buy land when you can use someone elses". Kills three birds with one stone provides electricity to the homeowner, makes profit for the company, effects environmental issues positively.

New Videos

Hi Sterling,

As you may have notice I have added a slew of new video to the Brown's Gas page. Video 11-16 are available no where else on the internet, and technically I am the first person to ever put them online. One video in particular you may find interesting it is of Brown's Gas sublimating tungsten, which requires over 10,000 degree Farenheit. I get a kick out of it every time I see it.

Tungsten Video

Nseidm1 19:35, 30 Dec 2006 (EST)

Video descriptions added Nseidm1 11:46, 31 Dec 2006 (EST)

See also

User talk:SilverThunder

User:SilverThunder (includes current contact info)

Congress:Member:Sterling D. Allan