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From Jim Dunn "Hybrid expert"

Your piece on using thorium as a fuel, however, was more interesting, as

this seems to make real sense, and Energy is my strong suit, particularly

Hybrid vehicles and Renewables, where I have extensive experience (and own

several hybrid vehicles). I also run several major annual Hybrid rallies

like the 100 mpg challenge and the Monte Carlo Hybrid Rallye, and do

frequent clinics on hybrids and am currently testing the new Plug-in Hybrid

for A123/Hymotion (PHEV add-on kit).

The section on the 'PowerPack economics' unfortunately, was somewhat

confusing, for a number of reasons. First off, I had made the assumption

that the Thorium Generator would be a fairly large scale device, with

10-50KW output, since most nuclear related processes need a steam turbine or

Sterling engine to convert the heat/steam to power, and this would not make

sense to do on a small scale fluctuating load basis (and is not easy to make

portable). Since such a system would probably cost well over $100K, it is

unlikely that it would ever make sense for home use. Also, nowhere was the

targeted power capacity and cost of the device mentioned, which is the most

important factor, not the fuel, particularly to a residential customer who

is going to buy and install the powerpack system, (or possibly lease it ?).

The description, specs, and calculations are very misleading as the person

who prepared this, confused the difference between Energy and Power and

continually interchanged Watts and Watt hours, as in the first line, where

reference is made to 284 Megawatts and 1 kg of fuel. This should be

Megawatt hours, (as is mis-stated in several other places in this section).

Furthermore, the estimated usage and electric energy for hybrids makes no

sense whatsoever. You refer to recharging 'typical hybrids' based upon using

14KW per hour for 4 hours per day. There are NO hybrid vehicles made which

use an average of 14 KW per hour, which is extremely misleading to begin

with let alone the assumption of hybrids being used for an average of 4 hrs

or 240 miles per day, or 87,565 miles per year. This logic is flawed in

virtually every possible way:

First, hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the most prevalent hybrid with over 1M

vehicles on the road, do not have a battery which can be externally

recharged, and the total energy of virtually ALL existing hybrid battery

packs is less than 2 kWH. (I know these packs well as I have 7 of these

NiMH packs in my garage).

Second, the average annual mileage of all US cars is just over 12,000 mi/yr.

(not 87,565 miles). There are no hybrids made even after 10 years, that

have driven even close to your target of 1,217,160 miles (which would be a

miracle in itself) but we do have about 15 hybrid taxi's in Montreal with

over 330,000 miles (which are nearly totally shot).

Third, the Toyota Synergy electric drive operates mostly below 37 mph, and

provides occasional boosts of power for short periods, and regenerates the

batteries when coasting, slowing down or braking. The maximum range on

electric power alone is 1.7 miles, before the engine automatically starts up

to recharge the batteries. The HyMotion P-HEV kit, which we have been

testing, adds 4.9 kWH of A123 Batteries in addition to the existing 1.3 kWH

factory battery pack, providing up to 30 miles of EV mode (under 40 mph).

A123 is just starting to sell these kits, where only the Added P-HEV battery

pack is rechargeable from external sources. They anticipate selling about

500-1500 of these kits before the real P-HEV's hit the market.

Although we expect to see some new Plug-in hybrids (PHEV's) coming in

2011-12 from co's like GM, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, etc. the total

battery capacity is estimated to be under 16kWH in most cases, with several

vehicles under 10 kWH capacity, and the Toyota PHEV's probably closer to

6kWH. The total energy used to recharge the Chevy Volt, the most talked

about PHEV vehicle, will probably be an average of 200-250 kWH per month at

an added electric cost of $25-30.

Thus the exercise of calculating fuel cost is totally meaningless, and of no

value, particularly with the usage assumptions and lack of understanding of

hybrid battery packs..

If you have a design for a working Thorium based reactor which could be used

for Co-gen or military apps, I might be interested in seeing it,

particularly if you have a working model. The best place for such a system

might be for use on islands like in the Caribbean or Malaysia where there

are severe problems with diesel generators and fuel contamination/bacteris.

I look forward to further discussion in MD. at the end of the month.

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kWH is a perfectly good designation to use. As I stated to you in direct emails, my equations work just fine (as I know I am dealing with energy over time, my main website I say that OVER AND OVER), and if you want to call it kWH (as I do elsewhere on my main page, that's fine). Anyone smart enough to actually build such thorium systems would in fact make the distinction and not care one iota if the nomenclature isn't as pristine as you would prefer it to be. Read my main webpage to see my article on "Free Energy", the Atomic Battery concepts.

As to discussing proprietary designs, I won't be badgered to give such away. What has been published shows adequately a "recharge capacity" to remove the gasoline driven recharger system from within the vehicle for the Prius, substituting such with a thorium system.

I am not interested in giving the tech either to the military for war machines, nor giving them a head start by telling them what tech works or doesn't work gratis.

What is presented is adequate for any engineer skilled in the art to create their own projects for thorium which will work in vehicle. My designs are for IN-Vehicle as well as power plant systems for home and industrial use.

What I stated in my email to you was that the "secret" is a neutron generator that solves major issues. I gather you didn't grasp the significance.

My main website, http://bob-dratch.org describes a lot more details about the "missing pieces". It's all there if you can sort through it.

Best wishes,

Bob Dratch

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