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Talk:OS:Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor

Lasted edited by Andrew Munsey, updated on June 15, 2016 at 1:33 am.

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I read your post looking for feed back on your design. About 35 years ago I built I non magnetized unit like the one you have illustrated. It did not occur to me to add magnets. But I can tell you that gravity does not play a role in adding force to the design. The wheel of rotation is always in balance. This is not obvious from looking at it. But if you do the math you will see the wheel is always in balance, therefore will not turn.


Just what we need, another overbalanced wheel.

Because all those other overbalanced wheels worked SO well.

I call shenanigans. Tom, you never had a working prototype.

Matt West's Andy Gravity magnet motor concept inverted

On Nov. 15, 2007, Matt West wrote:

I want to acknowledge the brilliance of Tom Ferko and Vlad Zenin and all of the rest of you that have a sense that this might be a good notion. Without their ideas my ideas may never have occurred. Even if my idea is a bad one it may lead others to the right idea.

Yesterday I saw this concept for the first time. I was facinated. Immediately I made a bunch sketches. As I worked with the idea I realized that the ferris wheel concept didn't seem to fit this guideline: Simplicity tends to be the essence of good design.

Those designs are wanting to fly apart in a sense, and therefore may not be the ultimate way to proceed. My idea is connected to "flying apart" yet contained in a nice round shape. Complexity can breed malfunction.

So I came up with the idea that the inner magnets could work like the old gyro toy I had as a child. A wheel with a magnet axle would follow a wire as the toy was raised and lowered. Then I dismissed the concept as simpler yet still off-base.

Then I envisioned a cylindrical, or spherical magnet in a sandwich of tracks reminiscent of the puzzle you have to spin to get all of the bearings in the slots. That seemed like too much activity for it to work. Still off-base.

When you go to the musuem and drop a penny into the big funnel and watch it go around a few times and then it gets caught in the lower part and spins vigorously right before it drops in that' what this the kind of action this design is intended to do.

Finally I inverted my thinking and realized that the entire concept could be flipped to an internal configuration.

The magnets are mounted in the same postion as in the other concepts on a disc. The disc would move about within a metal ring or a magnetic ring, I'm not sure and I may not have the ideal material to make one. I will try to upload my sketches.

The magnets and possibly a bit of weight will act like a cam to keep itself moving in harmony with magnetism.

It may be found that shapes other than round might work.

The disk in the center could have a shaft attached to it just like an old locomotive wheel to harness the power.

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