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Directory:Electrolysis > Directory:Fuel Efficiency Hydrogen Injection > Directory:Water4Gas - Ebook by Ozzy Freedom provides instructions on how to build an on-board electrolizer to provide hydroxy gas to inject into the air intake of a vehicle for improved mileage and performance, as well as reduced emissions. How does it compare to other systems, kits, plans?


Available Elsewhere for Free

On Mar 9, 2008 OS:Bob Boyce Electrolyzer Plans wrote:

Most of the information that is offered for sale on that site is free

and available in several mirrored sites as a series of documents

compiled by Patrick Kelly.

On Mar 10, 2008 OS:Bob Boyce Electrolyzer Plans added:

There are directories of files with information pertaining to this and so much more. All for free

A list of device files are here

And the one single document that likely contains the most information for waterfuel beginners and


Got a Refund

On Mar 7, 2008, Steve McBrayer wrote:

Forget about it! There is ten times the information in this group than those

books. In fact some of that stuff came from here. I ordered it and then got a


Smack Booster design is better

On Apr 6, 2008, James W Powell wrote:

Their design is inferior to everything you will find and learn about

on here. I built ONE of their SS wire mason jar pieces of crap just

to test it's output, and I even used KOH(a much better electrolyte)

instead of baking soda which they recommend. The result was .5L or

500ml in 4.5 mins. That is why they recommend daisy chaining 6 of

them together to get any decent amount of output of hydroxy.

I would

recommend the Directory:Smack Booster instead of the water4gas junk. It is of

superior design and when conditioned can put out as much as

1.7L/min. Just ask Smack, he will give you the low down on his vs

theirs. But quite honestly, there is no comparison to theirs vs his,

Smack's rules, water4gas drools!

Just my humble opinion based on my personal observations.

found it lacking

On Apr 6, 2008, Tim Bidlack wrote:

I too have put the water4gas to the test and found it lacking. I think they are using the air inlet to get much the same results that you would get with the old water injection setups from back in the day. I am currently building a Smack. Hope to have the plates conditioned by the weekend and do some road tests in a non computer car. I will post all my findings here as they happen. The only down side is I guess I must have had a blond moment when putting my smack together cause I can't seem to get past 1 LPM, maybe with conditioning. But whatever the output it's 10 times the water4gas unit!

Barely Works

On Mar. 9, 2008, mikeyfrano wrote:

Its a scam. My buddy bought it and he says everything is already on the net. His [Ozzy's] little wire design dosnt work worth a crap... The first electolizer I built put out way more in 5 sec. than that thing could in 5 days.....

Low Output

On Mar 9, 2008, itsafreeman8 wrote:

The book is OK, if you have the money to spare. It does present a

consolidation of ideas, saving time wading through the mish mash of

info available.

I would not spend the money, if I had it to do over again. The unit

has a low output, requiring added pressure to get the gas to the

engine. Although I bought a commercial unit.

Where's the Data?

On Mar 10, 2008, pvar06 wrote:

I just wanted to understand how the water4gas is every where without any proved data. I have never seen any gas production data from them. Only this is that they are showing some testimonial in one single large html page.

Just do it!

On Mar 19, 2008, Uv0jrl wrote:

Main thing is to just go ahead and make an H booster? The devil is in the details and a lot of time and money can be spent figuring them out. Regardless of the design...if just starting's best to go with a known booster design...rather than "inventing" one from scratch? And any H booster is going to be part of an mpg "system". And getting the system to improve mpg is the real issue and the difficulty...not just throwing major gas at an engine.

As a one according to instructions...then get creative next time around?

Arguing over the best, or the most ideal booster, or the one that cranks out the most gas is pointless.

And there is such a thing as "opportunity cost". This means that while you are trying to get a booster to work and spending $ on aren't saving on gas expenses.

Aggressive Marketing

On Mar 9, 2008 OS:Bob Boyce Electrolyzer Plans wrote:

It's called aggressive marketing. Anyone can sell just about anything,

no matter good or how bad, if they market it aggressively enough. You

just have to spread the word that the product is "awesome", whether

true or not, and the public will beat a path to your door.

Race Doesn't Go to the Swift

On Mar 10, 2008, James Allen wrote:

What water4gas really illustrates is the truth of Ecclesiastes 9:11, only add the word "marketing" to "time and chance".

Ecclesiastes 9:11 (KJV) : "I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill but time and chance happeneth to them all."

How Does It Work?

On Mar 11, 2008, Dale Pond wrote:

Quite simple actually (assuming it is all for real as presented). You've all heard of the Law of Attraction from the film The Secret - meet its mirror twin the Law of Repulsion:

Law of Repulsion

This law reveals a basic concept behind the operative principle of how a small amount of specially produced gas can have a larger effect than a larger quantity of ordinarily produced gas. More details are included in an updated version of the above document linked here:

SVP Cosmology 2.1

Ozzie's Response

On March 10, 2008, in reply to some of the above comments, Ozzie Freedom wrote:

Good question. Water4Gas has such low production per jar that it is

hard to measure... It's about 1 LPH, per jar, if you're lucky. Now if

you use my 6-pack design, you may be able to multiply that by 10-12

times. If you done it right. Is that little? "Frankly my dear, I don't

give a damn", said Clark Gable:

Why don't I give a damn? And why shouldn't you? Because results talk,

and the rest walks. That's why Water4Gas is all over the place: we

talk results and we talk simplicity rather than science. I'm not

against ANY member of this forum who knows a lot more than myself, and

definitely more than the public. And I love science. But I know that

THE PUBLIC needs and wants results.

How come my 6-pack boosts Carter Blankenship's truck, a 12.7 liter

turbo-charged giant, by 26%? Do you think I can explain that? If I

needed to explain WHY or even HOW it works, I'd be out of business 2

years ago. I have only a faint clew how it works. But I do know beyond

a shadow of a doubt, that these results are real. The "new" science is

RESULTS=SCIENTIFIC TRUTH. If you think this is BS, try to tell it to

the people sending me their success stories or bringing their vehicles

over to show me successful installations.

Regarding the coil, it does NOT get hot one bit! Why would it get hot?

There's hardly any current going thru the wire - the current jumps

thru the electrolyte, not thru the wires. And 2 amps is nothing

anyway. The coil is used for two main reasons: (1) it can be

manufactured cheaply by hand, and (2) it produces a magnetic field

that helps split the water thus reducing energy input requirements. It

was the genius of Bill Lang to gamble on this design.

So when you ask "Can any body explain, how their system works?",

that's a valid question! I want to know too! I'll accept any sound

explanation on HOW IT DOES WORK. However, as you may have guessed, I

have zero interest in how IT DOES NOT WORK. Because there no such

question. Arguing with success is dead end futile.

Right now our yearly sales exceed 4.5 mil. Yes, US dollars. And

refunds dropped from 1-2% to near zero. The 1-week-old "Water4Gas

University" already has 4,800 active students and growing by 500

students a day. You can envy water4gas, or curse our mothers and so

forth, or you can join the revolution and be part of the success by

promoting us for a fat profit share.

Again, there is NOTHING wrong with any other design or direction,

we're all supporting each other in more ways than one. Boyce design

and Smack's design, between others, are excellent! All that Water4Gas

is doing is cutting the complexity down to exactly the entry level the

public needs. Anybody with NO MACHINES, with two broken pliers and

half a brain, can build a jar with some wires inside. And get results.

Now. Not when they are wise and skilled. Just now.

And the next step is, they'll be ready for your better and higher

designs. Because we're opening the doors for your better systems by

bringing the belief level back from the dead.

Use Gains to Help Educate About Alternatives

On Mar 11, 2008, James Allen responded:

You said it all in one word: envy. Your success at shrewdly marketing something that you waltzed into has many of us envious. However, I maintain that if you use your shewdly-gotten gains in a beneficial way, like paying for ads or infomercials that also educate the public in the non-Ozzie truth about water fuel, you can redeem yourself from your sickening success.

Supporting Hundreds of Families

On Mar 14, 2008, Ozzie Freedom, Founder & CEO of, wrote:

I said we're making millions, but people got the wrong idea that I am a millionaire myself. Here's a correction:

1. Half of our gross income goes to affiliates, so we're feeding many hundreds of families. Not to mention how many jobs we have created for manufacturers (900 registered, but who knows how many more there are now).

2. My company, 1 Freedom, has turned into a corporation last week (1 Freedom Inc.), and that corporation is now in the process of turning into a NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. All these millions are going into charity!!! All I took for myself in the past 6 months was a pair of shoes.

3. The executives of the corporation, myself included, are working 7 days a week till midnight and beyond in the public service, not to get rich. We invest a lot in R&D and new products are coming up very soon. And they are coming with the same spirit of giving rather than taking - since we have a policy of no patents, anybody can build a business around our models - and that's exactly what the public is doing now.

The secret of our success is giving more than we take. And to whoever bad-mouths Water4Gas I'd say that the surest way for you to stay small is to give little and criticize givers.

Why pay for something that is available (from yourselves) free of charge?!

On April 6, 2008, flayman wrote:

After I placed my order I discovered that what I had paid for was nothing more than a hidden URL. The URL is freely available on the water4gas website without any login required. All of the information that is for sale is in fact for free. I do not feel it is my place to disclose the URL. I do actually think the information is worth paying for (although now I know that similar and possibly better information is already public), but I resent paying for something that is not even access restricted. I have requested a refund from ClickBank and I had sure better receive it.

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