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Tesla Roadster is 100% electric, not hybrid. Four wheel drive (in-wheel motors) make it faster than most sports cars and it has a 250+ mile range. Major VC backed ($40 million) company will be showing off the car July 12, 2006 in Santa Monica.
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On July 20, 2006, Pierre wrote:
It's the equivalent of a GM "concept" car at best. For openers no price yet and you can bet when there is it will be close to six figures. It's tiny, probably dangerous and has no load carrying capacity to speak of. In short it's a very expensive toy for very rich people. And worst of all, when the power ends (as it will very quickly on a hilly trip) you can't recharge it by itself. We do NOT need this. What we need is a medium sized sport sedan with decent performance, room for 4 adults, all needed safety features, adequate if not flashing performance and a hybrid system that is mainly electric (rather than like the rice burners mainly gas) and recharges from an AC line at night and from a small, efficient ICE, possibly diesel, during the day. Recharge needs to be fast enough from the self-contained engine to make waits for power very, very rare. This isn't rocket science but nobody seems to have the vision to make one. It's what we will all be driving (in addition to all-electrics in cities only) in about 15 years.
''On July 21, Pierre added:
What a gorgeous piece of design-- rather reminescent of a Porsche Boxster but even better looking. Elegant packaging too. The number of large, bare, very complex circuit boards is a bit alarming. So much could go wrong go wrong wrong go wrong wrong go go go go wrong.
"Tesla's sports car drives for a penny a mile." Sure it does. Unless you include maintainance and depreciation. Then, it's probably more like $10 per mile.
On July 14, 2006, Pierre wrote:
What seems to escape everyone is that a plugin hybrid mid size sedan with adequate performance and safety, adapted from a proven design and with excellent fuel economy would be an all around winner. Very few people need an all out electric sports car at huge cost and with an unknown maitainance cost and reliability.
On July 15, 2006, 'informed' wrote:
This whole electric car thing reminds me of when I was just a kid in the sixties and slot cars first came out. In the beginning the cars were expensive and slow. Then all the after-market start-ups came into the picture with better and cheaper high performance parts and in no time the whole industry changed. If nothing else, I am hoping that new firms such a Tesla Motors will spur others into getting the high performance after-market going for electric vehicles thus bringing the price down to what most people can afford.
On July 23, 2006, ADK wrote:
Based on your experience with laptops over many years, you should know how quickly the technology of li-ion batteries has developed in the last 10 years. The energy density has increased and the price has come down. The competition in that market is the reason electric cars with reasonable range and power are becoming possible today. Large, car-sized battery packs are really only available in lead-acid or NiMH forms, where the weight and power are even more prohibitive than the range. AC Propulsion, with their Tzero, decided to go the route of a battery pack made up of thousands of 18650-size laptop cells. It was more complex, but had great range and power compared to the alternatives. The cost is still a huge problem, but they've done the preliminary development and cost is coming down rapidly. AC Propulsion only made a few Tzeros, since the batteries were a huge part of the cost. They don't make full cars any more, but their battery management and drive system technology is in every li-ion electric car today. Venturi started making their Fetish electric car based heavily on the Tzero a few years ago, but with a cost of roughly a quarter mil, can rightly be called impractical toys for the overly rich. Not many people spend that much more than $100k for a car. Tesla, however, is entering into the realm of feasibility. AC Propulsion does the electrics, Lotus does the car, Tesla does the marketing and infrastructure. And 70-100k is way more reasonable than you might think. I don't know where you're from, and how many luxury cars you see on the streets, but there is a lot of business to be made there. It may not be saving the planet yet, but if this technology goes from prototype to $250k car to sub-$100k car in 3 years, everyman's electric car is not far away. And if Tesla is the first company to make more than a handful of electric cars, they will probably be the first company to make thousands of them down the road. Think of the Tesla roadster as an omen of things to come, don't just dismiss it because it's a bit on the expensive side.
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