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: See our story about the demo event on July 23.
Compiled by Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
July 22, 2013 [Intro updated July 25]
On July 16, two upcoming live webcast demonstrations of the Defkalion LENR rector were announced: a demonstration to take place on July 22 in Milan, Italy, starting at noon, local time and a second, the following day, also in Milan, which would be broadcast to the ICCF-18 at the University of Missouri, Columbia Campus, USA, from 7 am to 3 pm Eastern time. ([http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/index.php ICCF-18 is taking place from July 21-27 at the University of Missouri.)
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Just 2.5 hours into the July 22 demo time in Milan, the webcast page showed "Event Over". Apparently there was only a 1-hour explanation of the set-up, in Italian, but a test was run, which was reported the next day. July 23 was when the main event was intended to take place, in English, which is reported below in the blog.
The Milan webcast page description said: (translated by Google, with some edits)
: Live from the labs of Defkalion, Europe, in Milan, is set up what is perhaps the most advanced experiment of cold fusion. Cold fusion is at the center of controversy, suspicion, with supporters and accusers who, in no uncertain terms, speak of scam. The substance would be very simple: with cold fusion we are in the presence of an essentially unlimited energy source and low costs. If this new energy source was available on the market, as announced by Defkalion Europe, it would change the global energy scenarios.
: In the course of this meeting, organized by Defkalion Europe, in cooperation with TRIWU, Moebius, the transmission of Radio Science 24, Il Sole 24 Ore, you will be able to see working the "machine" that produces energy through a process of LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction). The reactor has never been seen before by the general public. Federico Pedrocchi Moebius, Maurizio Melis (also known as the host of Mr. Kilowatt Radio 24), with the help of technical team from Defkalion Europe and other guests, will describe the "machine" in its various components, and tell how the process works - or should work, telling the voices of those who cry "cheating".
: One thing is certain: the appointment is of great interest to the world of scientific research and industrial development. If it works, the energy revolution of cold fusion will change the lives of everyone.
TRANSPIRED: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US - Defkalion – ICCF-18Tue Jul 23, 2013 strike>7:00am 10:00am EDT — Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:00pm EDT
TRANSPIRED: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita - Defkalion Europe – MilanMon Jul 22, 2013 6:00am EDT — Monday, July 22, 2013 9:00am EDT
https://vimeo.com/70846289 - "high definition recording of the pre-cast, with no gaps"
English excerpt at 6:19, he explains in English that today's webcast is just an hour, and for the Italian audience. The technical webcast in English, lasting several hours, will be at 4 pm "European Time" (there are several time zones in Europe). [NOTE: TIME IS IN ERROR SEE CORRECTION JUST BELOW.]
Question for Clarification: Nobel Laureate, Brian Josephson asked: "The web page for the webcast on the 23rd says this demo starts at 7am EDT, but the talk today said 4 pm European time, which translates to 10 am EDT. Do you know which is correct?"
Answer from Symeon Tsalikoglou, Defkalion: "There is only one more broadcast. http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US There is a countdown ticker." [Which is 10 am EDT]
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Defkalion English Language Demo Thread, July 23 (E-CatWorld July 23, 2013)
E-CatWorld: Defkalion Hyperion Demo Thread - We have just a few hours before the commencement of the live demonstration of Defkalion Green Technology’s Hyperion reactor which is to be broadcast via the web from Milan Italy in connection with ICCF-18 conference in Columbia, Missouri. (E-CatWorld July 21, 2013)
8kW out 1.8kW in. COP of 4.44.
Temp of water in 24.7 C Temp of steam out 157 C.
Costs: For a 10 KW reactor, a recharge of NI H cost 1 Euro 1£ for six months. Recharge every six months.
DEFKALION'S TEST PROTOCOL FOR PUBLIC DEMO - (Ego Out July 21, 2013)
http://defkalion-energy.com - sparce
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu - ICCF-18
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/bio_kim.php - Biography of Yeon G. Kim, Professor of Physics, Purdue University
Image source: http://www.greenstyle.it
Listing things primarily in reverse chronological sequence, with the most recent things first except in cases where an older item newly comes to our attention, and we want you to see it in the recent section where most people will be watching.
Coverage that has come to our attention today.
MFMP: Independent Report of Defkalion’s Hyperion to be Published - The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project have posted a very positive assessment of this week’s ICCF-18 conference on their Facebook page. They see it as being a ‘watershed’ event with convincing evidence of excess heat being presented by Defkalion and Takahashi (see here), and an important advance for the principle of Live Open Science which... (E-CatWorld July 27, 2013)
Defkalion Demonstrates LENR Device via Streaming Video - Defkalion really impressed the crowd at the 18th annual International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF) last week with a streaming video of a demonstration of its Hyperion low energy nuclear reaction device. (EnergyCatalyzer3 July 28, 2013)
For the insiders ... and for the addicted to scientific revolutions - COLD FUSION FOR PROFESSIONALS - July 22, 2013 - Streaming Defkalion answer the more technical questions about his cold fusion experiment. On July 23 from 16.00 (22Passi July 23, 2013)
Cold fusion, Defkalion will try again - It was "the most advanced experiment of cold fusion" in the world but a simple debate. So Defkalion has dampened expectations of the curious industry around the two test streamed on the platform Triwu and Radio24. (galileonet.it August 1, 2013)
Cold Fusion: after streaming organized by the Radio 24 Defkalion decide to make more accurate measurements on its apparatus - ... a new chapter on the controversial story about cold fusion. On 22 and 23 July last Moebius on Radio 24 hosted a live stream from the laboratories of Defkalion Europe in Milan, devoted to describing how it works in general a cold fusion experiment (although this definition is controversial)... (meteoweb.eu July 30, 2013)
Panic - After the post titled " How the 'big science' suppresses the discoveries "illustrated with the famous picture of the 'big religion' that censorship Galileo , Dr.. Passerini published a riddle and then the video of the gorilla under the title "Watch out for what you see!". (casapiens-dweb July 30, 2013)
Show-me State Endorses Cold Fusion - Report from the 18 th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF-18) - Where to begin? Cold Fusion is one of those fields where the reality is different from the reporting. If you read the newspapers or the science magazines, you think that cold fusion is junk science, discredited after a single un-reproducible report in 1989. If you still think this way, please begin with the article I wrote for OEN last year. The effect is real and remarkable on three counts: (OpEdNews July 26, 2013)
Cold fusion experiment videos available on Triwù Of Bartolo Welsh - With a live stream of about 8 hours on July 23 ended the two-day Triwù, TV innovation, has dedicated to cold fusion definition, the latter, which we were able to explain how inadequate compared to the experiments that you are making in this field. (Green Planner Magazine July 26, 2013)
Nobel laureat from Cambridge University posted this video of the Defkalion demo on July 23.
Coverage that has come to our attention today.Latest:
There was an error working with the wiki: Code> This Week in Free Energy™ > Sterling's Weekly Free Energy Review on SmartScarecrow Show: July 25, 2013 - Defkalion's Live LENR Demo Coverage • Steven E. Jones not surprised by magnetic anomaly in Defkalion reactor • Magnetic Field Secrets by Tim Harwood • Dannel Roberts Explains New Plasma Propulsion and Theory • Own Worst Enemy syndrome epitomized in recent Eric Dollard clash (FreeEnergyNews)
Comment on the demonstration made ??yesterday in Milan reactor Defkalion - Hello, I am the fly on the test Defkalion yesterday from Milan. As it turned out, the first stream of the G-Cat greek (and I avoid to call C-Cat, where C is apparently about to CopyCat!) Of 22 July was a mere dress rehearsal of the test of 8 hours showed yesterday, beautifully Accounted for by Mats Lewan on his blog (22Passi July 24, 2013)
ICCF-18 Day 3: PHOTOS! - Another jam-packed day of science and technology on Day 3 of the ICCF-18. There were entrepreneurs giving tips on what VC’s look for in a company, there was the Defkalion demo beamed in from across the world, there was a tour of the Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance, lots of Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project technology... and more! (ColdFusionNow July 23, 2013)
More coverage that has come to our attention today.
DEFKALION HAS KEPT ITS PROMISE - Many years from now, Clio (the Muse of history) will acknowledge this demo was an event of great impact. At the surface it was simple: Defkalion made a written promise-the Protocol and then made a demo keeping all its promises- brightly. (EgoOut July 24, 2013)
Defkalion Live LENR Test - LENR, otherwise known as “Low Energy Nuclear Reactions”, has set many energy enthusiasts around the world on the edge of their seats. Conflicting opinions seem to flare up more often than news updates but one such update from Defkalion has peaked interest at an all time high. (Revolution-Green July 24, 2013)
Defkalion Demo Boosts Case for Commercial LENR - I was impressed with yesterday’s demonstration of the Hyperion reactor by Defkalion. I thought the overall manner in which the test was carried out was clear and logical, and the end result was to me another strong piece of evidence in favor of LENR being a practical source of useful energy. I think Defkalion went a long way in establishing credibility for themselves as a serious and competent organization with good technical skills. (E-CatWorld July 24, 2013)
E-Cat of greek Defkalion: test succeeded, but doubts remain - After the introductory streaming of July 22 , the Defkalion responded the next day with a transmission much more detailed. Always transmitted from the Web TV Triwu, allowed everyone to observe a fairly accurate testing of cold fusion reactor Hyperion (R5 release, or the fifth prototype). (GreenStyle.it July 25, 2013)
Defkalion’s Demo Winds Down - DGT’s demo is in its final stages. I watched it from start to wind-down. This is simply a quick summary of my first impressions. I was surprised by the level of detail and the apparent freedom given to those present. That said, I was disappointed to see that only Mats Lewan stepped up to the plate to stick his nose in on our behalf. (ECatNews July 23, 2013)
Royal B - Other streaming from exciting lab engineer. Franco “ Raggio della Morte ” Cappiello. Franco " Ray of Death "Cappiello. None of the "expert witnesses" announced noted the kettle DIY , unless the journalist Mats Lewan - more prepared than Melis & Pedrocchi - which has suffered the loss of steam and measured by hand a temperature of 70 ° C (Ocasapiens July 24, 2013)
Coverage that has come to our attention today.Latest / Directory:Best Exotic Clean Energy Technologies: Directory:Cold Fusion > News:Defkalion Hyperion > Event:2013:July:Defkalion Demonstrations / Directory:Physics Professor, Steven E. Jones > Steven E. Jones not surprised by magnetic anomaly in Defkalion reactor - Pons and Fleischmann competitor, Steven E. Jones, who is lecturing at ICCF-18, said regarding Tuesday's webcast of Defkalion's LENR device: "During this Q&A, the Defkalion spokesperson discloses that they have observed a huge 'magnetic anomaly,' which does not surprise me. I expect it." (Coverage Links Included) (PESN July 25, 2013)
Videos of Defkalion Demo Available - For those who didn’t have a chance to see the live Defkalion Demo, videos of the July 23 demo have been uploaded to the Defkalion Livestream.com web page at this link: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US/videos/25225397 There are five videos posted there of various sections of the test. For those who would like to see an abridged version... (E-CatWorld July 25, 2013)
Cold Fusion, here is the reactor Defkalion [VIDEO] - As expected, yesterday took place on the second live streaming organized by Defkalion to show the functioning of his cold fusion reactor. Played on the platform Triwù-La Web TV Innovation, the event was directed especially to insiders, unlike the first who addressed primarily to the general public. (International Business Times, Italy July 24, 2013)
Hydrogen and nickel to produce clean energy - A process developed by Global Defkalion Green Technology (DGGT), a Canadian company that takes some time for applications in the field of 'energy that is based on a nickel-hydrogen reaction. (AffarItaliani.it July 24, 2013)
Cold fusion: in 20 thousand for the live streaming on Triwù - With a live stream of about 8 hours, yesterday, Tuesday 23 June, ended the two-day TRIWU 'devoted to cold fusion definition, the latter, which we were able to explain how inadequate compared to the experiments that you are making in this field. (Key4Biz.it July 24, 2015)
Cold fusion of Defkalion today live streaming - The two most well-known protagonists of this scenario are two companies: the Italian Prometeon, with the reactor E-Cat engineer Andrea Rossi and the Greek Defkalion, to work on the device Hyperion. Precisely the latter will be the protagonist, Monday, July 22 2013 at 12.00 am, the live streaming on Triwù during which it will broadcast the first experiment on cold fusion laboratories Milanese Defkalion Europe. (Ingegneri.info July 22, 2013)
Coverage that has come to our attention today.
Matts Lewan: Comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan - Yesterday I participated as an observer at the Greek-Canadian company Defkalion’s demo of its LENR based energy device Hyperion in Milan, Italy. The device is just like Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat, loaded with small amounts of nickel powder and pressurized with hydrogen... (MatsLew July 24, 2013)
Cold fusion conference demo raises hope for tabletop energy supply - A conference on cold fusion at the University of Missouri continues until 26 July but nothing in it is likely to top a live demonstration of a device apparently producing kilowatts of heat on 23 July. The flamboyant Andrea Rossi, who did much to revive public interest in this field, is conspicuous by his absence. (Wired.co.uk July 24, 2013)
Wired.co.uk Covers Defkalion Demo and ICCF-18 - It’s good to see an article today by David Hambling in Wired.co.uk giving a positive and fair treatment of yesterday’s Defkalion demonstration, citing Swedish science journalist Mats Lewan as a reliable witness who had a generally positive response to the event which he participated in quite actively. Hambling seems to be open to the... (E-CatWorld July 24, 2013)
Did You Catch Defkalion's Cold Fusion Demo Yesterday? - A demonstration in real time is almost exciting as watching grass grow. Defkalion demonstrated its LENR cold fusion device using two different gas inputs to show that the reaction occurring is not chemical heating. (World Future Society July 24, 2013)
Defkalion Demonstrates LENR Live, Right Now - If you’ve been following the saga of what was called “cold fusion” but is now more generally called “low energy nuclear reaction” (LENR) you’ll be aware of one of the more convincing contenders in this market, Defkalion Green Technologies (DGT). (Forbes July 23, 2013)
The experiment of Defkalion, still cold fusion - "Live from the labs Defkalion Europe, in Milan, is set up what is perhaps the most advanced experiment of cold fusion." The presentation in respect of ' company that was trading partner in the adventure of Andrea Rossi's cold fusion promised sparks. (GalileoNet.it July 23, 2013)
Screenshots from 21:12 GMT when the demo closed down.
21:12 GMT Broadcast ended, after who I guess is the cameraman waved at the camera, then shut it off.
21:01 GMT John gives statement
Yesterday's test was for Italian public, not for scientists
Today's test used argon
There will be announcements in coming days about the results of these tests.
Today: degassed the reactor of Argon, then added Hydrogen.
Then we decided to modulate the test, to show controlability of test.
We know there will be many questions in coming days.
We welcome that.
You can always communicate through our email on our website.
We hope we hvae concluded this, difficult for us, live broadcast all over world.
I personally apologize for maybe not professional way of presenting.
Hope you enjoyed the test.
Hope you saw what we promised: data, live, hiding nothing.
"New Energy Era Uprising"
Will end broadcasting in a few hours, when technician says so.
Input is a zero, output (heating of water) is dropping off rapidly, as would be expected. Rapid at a first, then tapering off.
20:40 GMT John: Now we're going to shud down the reactor. Alex will come on shortly.
We didn't run Argon yesterday. [We weren't expecting not vacuating for 12 hours would effect this as much as it did.]
Most questions will be answered by Dr. Kim at ICCF-18
We've shown you as much as we could for the moment.
Haven't heard any new coming from ICCF-18
I wonder how much not taking the usual 12 hours to vacuate the Argon gas is effecting the COP. John said they got above 4 yesterday. -- Sterling
20:30 GMT, John makes statement as follows.
How we can control and modulate the output power. This was not scheduled. We had to make this happen to see how we can modulate the power at the levels we wish.
We're going to keep the system alive for another 35-40 minutes, then turn off so you can see the cooling procedure.
We've modulated the output.
Yesterday we reached 7.5 kW. Today max: 5 kW.
Today we had to run two experiments, one after the other. Argon, then Hydrogen.
If we have to change the gasses, we usually run the degassing for an extended time. Didn't have that time today. So instead of 12 hours we squoze it to 45 minutes. I warned it could cause problem with reaction.
We're getting very tired.
- - - -
Input: 1904.9 Watts
Output: 3223.1 Watts
Output temp: 117.37 C
John said that yesterday they saw a COP of more than 4. Today, the highest I noted was at 19:30 GMT at 3.1. At present, the output appears to be dropping, while the input is unchanging.
Based on what John said in the Q&A, I'm guessing that this has to do with the fact that they did not take the usual 12 hours to vacuate the argon gas, but took only 45 minutes.
Here's a screenshot of the data from 20:03 GMT
Input: 1898.7 Watts
Output: 4495.3 Watts
Output temp: 141.69 C
The output line continues to drop, precipitously.
I don't recall them saying that they were turning off the experiment. I wonder what's going on here.
At 19:10, it appears to have stabilized.
Input: 1646.5 Watts
Output: 2996.8 Watts
Output temp: 108.27 C
20:12 GMT, John responded to the question about what is happening.
"It's going to rise up again. It's part of the procedure we planned. We haven't stopped it yet. That will be in about 1.5 hours from now. We are in process of controlling the parameters intentionally."
I sent the following message to Symeon:
: With them playing with the nobs, why don't they tell us what they are doing, so we can follow along? From our vantage point it looks like something has gone wrong, and John is just making up a story so it doesn't look bad.
Andrew Palfreyman points out: "This demo was done in 'manual mode'. They have an auto mode which stops all this up and down stuff."
19:40 GMT we will repeat the questions, so we don't interrupt parallel activites at ICCF-18
Q: Mikita Alexandrof: how are resistors wired, individually, or together, in series or in parallel?
A. controlled in parallel, together
Q. Mikita Alexandrof: what temp does proceeding require?
A. have to preheat reactor to trigger, up to a minimum of 179 C, inside the reactor. Not by chance, temp for ?
Q. Mikita Alexandrof: what is timeframe for starting and stopping reactions?
A. Typically about 15-20 minutes to pre-heat enough to trigger the reaction with plasma. Stopping takes seconds. But the aparatus takes time to cool off. Once it's up to heat, we can start and stop in seconds.
Q. Norman Cook, ICCF: it has been rumored that Defkalion has done isotope experiments used N-H and all isotopes produce excess heat? Are all isotopes equal?
A. Not a rumor. It has been reported on forum. More from Yeon G. Kim in two days at ICCF-18. No specific reason to do it except to asnwer busienss question. How much do you expect the cost of product and line and maintenance. Rumors tnat 62 or 64 work in which case cost would be higher. So we tried monatomic samples. Only 61 could not give no excess heat. All other isotopes produced almost same results, no significant differences. Why expected, according to physics in Kim's presentation.
Q. Have you built reactor with close primary loops? [?]
A. Releasing R6 with primary loop to cool the reactor, use thermaloid (?), heat exchanger not ready to announce yet still testing components. Same reactor as this one, but much lighter. Next generation designed for performance. how we can control and mangagement.
Q. Steven Jones: what products have you looked for? tritium, rf, radiation
A. will present gamma emissions in iso? experiments, presented by Yeon G. Kim in 2 days. Last year we reported on transmutation. Haven't seen any emissions we would have to report to regulators. Have found unexpected: huge magnetic anomolies. Will be presented by Yeon G. Kim.
END OF QUESTIONS BY ICCF-18
2 question before
Q. Why do you use argon and not helium?
A. Helium has better thermal conductivity, closer to H we use argon, when flow calorimetry. We use Ar not He, as we are monitoring transmutation. He would contaminate the powders, confusing the results.
Q. How we calculate this number: Gas pressure(?)
A. We use slope of the plot times factor of flow of coolant, very accurate, no noise inside reactor.
Q. summarize what we've done so far?
A. We started 6 hour ago, explained what we were going to do, ran two test. First test: control test using argon as a gas, resulted in no excess heat. Did a lot of calibration, to get accuracy of datalogger instrumentation, via manual measurements. Stopped argon test, degassed, began second test. Usually we use 12 hours to degass down to 45 minutes. Will have some effect on reaction, due to live presentation and limiation on time. After a while, put high voltage in, [LENR commenced]
19:53 GMT screenshot of in:out
Input: 1916.2 Watts
Output: 5710.7 Watts
Output temp: 158.2
19:57 GTM Q&A complete
19:25, Q&A started, but then paused, to resume in 5 minutes for hook-up to ICCF-18
Screengrab from 19:30 GMT
Input: 1858.8 Watts
Output: 5721.6 Watts
Output temp: 165.43
19:20 GMT John said that in about 5 minutes they will be doing the question and answer session with ICCF-18.
19:20 screen grab
Input: 1937 Watts
Output: 4798.5 Watts
Note to fe_updates Newsletter:
Hey, in case you're not watching, the Defkalion live demo is taking place right now at http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US
In the first while, they took control measurements using argon gas. For the past hour they've been taking measurements with hydrogen gas. The COP is 2.6 and rising. (2.6 times more energy out than what is put in, due to the LENR [aka misnamed "cold fusion"] process.)
I've been tracking the play-by-play very closely at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:July:Defkalion_Demonstrations#Blog
I think they are doing a great job of being scientific, methodical, careful, and convincing. Of course I'm an easy sell.
Matts Lewan is an independent observe on site, taking manual measurements to corroborate the datalogging equipment from National Instruments.
18:45 "change the battery pack" warning flashed on screen
John is going to take the cameraman to see the exit of hot water
18:48 John says: "could make tea with this"
18:50 GMT screen grab datalogger
18:53 GMT labview commentary from John
output temp: 142.88 C, nearly to the point of "dry steam"
gas: 3.268 bars
flow: 0.568 L/m
input: 1882 Watts (GMT 18:55)
ouptut: 4840 Watts (GMT 18:55)
t_internal = inside reactor
t_coil = the copper coils around the reactor
t_body = outside, close to reaction
18:40 GMT screenshot
Input: 2020.6 Watts
Output: 4426.4 Watts
18:37 GMT John: "We've stabilized the input at ~2 kW" output at 4.4 kW
"we're going to increase the output."
18:35 John: we'd like to ask Matts to be more careful in how he is measuring. An hour ago he shut off the system inadvertently.
Matts: "I'm trying to figure out the discrepancy between what I'm mesuring manually (around 1 kW input) and what the datalogger is reporting (~2 kW input)."
General Note: Presently they are running the reaction with hydrogen, and have entered overunity, with more energy coming out in the form of heat, than is going in in the form of electricity for the heater and the plasma creater. They are gradually diminishing the input power, while maintaining the output power.
18:25 GMT screen grabs
Matts Lewan, right, is manually measuring the current via clamp-on-amp meter
input: 2209.7 Watts
output: 4613.3 Watts
General Note: Presently they are running the reaction with hydrogen, and have entered overunity, with more energy coming out in the form of heat, than is going in in the form of electricity for the heater and the plasma creater. They are gradually diminishing the input power, while maintaining the output power.
HV = high voltage to plasma
input: 1918 Watts
output 4604 Watts
the output power is rising rapidly
in the one minute I watchted it, it went from 4100 Watts to 4900 Watts
18:15 GMT datalogger
response to question from email:
[Plasma] voltage characteristics is 10 kV
amps 110 mA
18:05 GMT screen grab of datalogger calculations page
John: output power already highter than input and will stay there many hours. Input power will begin to decrease more and more. We've already decreased the input, and we'll do that again and again during the whole experiment.
18:10 GMT datalogger
input: 2.4 kW
output: 2.8 kW
(Hydrogen in place, heating up reactor begin reaction soon)
17:58 GMT John explains labels on monitor:
T_coil is temp around two coils close to reactor
T_Body, couple close to reactor chamber
Gass Pressure is pressure of gas inside reactor
17:59 GMT: Heater 2731 Watts
screen grab of reading
18:00 GMT: John: clarification: here we are reading water flow at output the other is T-coil is reading the temp at the two rounds. one reading water, the other reading metal.
Note: the "control" portion of the test has been completed. Now they are preparing to add hydrogen, which will begin the LENR reaction, which should produce significant excess heat.
17:45 GMT: John: Stopping degassing of argon. Not as vacuated as usual (usually longer), but should be adequate.
going to add hydrogen in same current, flow, pressure as argon.
17:46 GMT: starting to add the H gas: 0.36 bar "putting in very slow"
What we are measuring (in "bars") is "above ambient", same for all experiments we do.
17:47 about 1.2 bars of H locked in place, so there will be no leaks, as it was with argon gas.
starting flow of water and current
17:49 GMT: starting heating: 2714 Watts
screen shot: starting heater, with H inside
17:53 GMT reached 200 C in chanber, to minimum "any moment we're going to open the high voltage [plasma]. I'll be announcing that to you."
17:34 GMT live stream being re-established after pre-record overview video during de-gassing of argon, to prepare for hydrogen addition to system which will give it the ingredient needed for LENR.
17:35: John explains the above.
Independent observer, Matts Lewan, of NyTekink confirms that during the video, nothing happened in live lab.
Pre-recorded video, while vacuuating the argon gas from the reactor.
Screen shots from pre-recorded video:
Shows set-up of the reactor.
Spool type of arrangement, around which copper pipes are wound to pull off heat via water flow through the copper pipes.
Pressure gauges and thermocouplers arranged.
Pump to degass the reactor, before any opening of the reactor.
gases: hydrogen and argon
power from mains monitored by datalogger
variacs from power, ..
use water as coolant
water comes from grid
filters to remove bubbles or gas
flow meter, to data aquisition
coolant through pipe
into chamber, then out through insulated pipe to another dataloger for temp, then exit
data gatered by data aquisition LabView software by National Instruments
energy consumption per second calculated
Words about Procedures we'll be using.
(792 watching live)
1) pump argon in the reactor, trying to trigger reaction (shouldn't trigger)
2) cool, then pump in hydrogen in same conditions, current, flow see difference
measure the accuracy of the datalogging via manual measurements
witnessed by third parties with their instruments
pay attention to Yeon G. Kim on 25? July at ICCF-18
17:31 video finished
17:13 GMT the streaming issue stopped back to live view
Vacuating the gas
17:15 GMT playing video (will it work this time?) blue screen with buffer/intializing
17:16 a computer screen view is shown "initializing"
16:17 pre-recorded message by John Hadjicristos of Defkalion, recorded in Vancouver: introduction of live test: objectives in Milan lab then present R5 reactor that will be used in the test, set-up in lab, similar to Milan R5
17:05 GMT Seems to have a streaming issue -- first during this whole live demo. May be due to a technical difficulty of trying to broadcast the pre-recorded video in a split screen. [confirmed]
Note: coming next: will vacate argon gas from chamber to prepare to add hydrogen, which will start the LENR conditions once heat and pressure are brought within range. They are preparing for that.
Note: experiencing technical difficulties playing the pre-recorded video from their lab while these changes are being made.
16:50 static noise on audio went away video still showing live lab
Symeon says that (if they get it to work), they plan on showing the oher video in a split screen, so that there is continuous live video feed from Milan.
screen grab from 16:55 GMT
I asked Symeon what the downward spike in the yellow line represents 2/3 through the plateau.
[10:57:54 AM] Sterling D. Allan: I'd appreciate that. John's explanation said the yellow was from the thermal coupler to the body
[10:58:27 AM] Sterling D. Allan: was it disconnected? I can't imagine why it would fluctuate like that in reality. Seems like instrumentation error.
[10:58:29 AM] Sterling D. Allan: should be noted.
John: going to degas, will broadcast short pre-recorded video where we explain the objectives of this demo
Note: The streaming has been flawless so far, as far as I've seen. No downtime or packet chops at all. A criticism I've passed on to Symeon, that they're going to try to address, is that Matts Lewan, the independent observer from NyTeknik
16:45 GMT John: "We're waiting for the system to cool down watching also the thermal signals."
after that, we'll start degassing the argon out of the reactor, to prepare the next experiment, which is the test experiment with hydrogen.
will be measuring noise level pump in
16:47 GMT "will show pre-recorded video from our lab while we're doing this"
(oops static sound technical difficulties? video feed is still showing the lab, but static sound)
Note: This aparatus is "Revision 5" not the present design.
16:38 GMT we've turned all the power off: zero, zero input
white: temp inside reacto
green: temp of flange in front of reactor
blue: temp of flange in back of reactor
red: temp of coil, betweeen
16:39 screen shot
"this will not be the case when running with Hydrogen (the gas pressure)" (I missed this full statement)
Note: Usually, the data is hard to record because in live situation you don't have a way to double check yourself. But here I had time to double check. So this is the first solid recording of data. This is at the "maximum, control" setting. I didn't catch the manual readings, though.
16:24 GMT taking water measurement
16:26 GMT Matts measuring amps w/ clamp-on meter
16:28 GMT datalogger
2746 Watt heat
total input: 2955 Watt input
coolang frow: .72 L/m
gas presure 2.912 bar
T in 21.94
16:30 GMT screenshot
16:35 GMT "In 5 minutes, we're toing to stop the input of power."
Note: they are still in "control" mode, using Argon gas instead of the LENR gas, Hydrogen.
16:15 GMT (datalogger)
2740 Watt heater
215.9 HV (plasma)
Total: 2910 Watt
Output: 2496 Watts
When Hydrogen gas is introduced later today, they are expecting 7.5 kW output with 1.7 kW input (COP 4.4), which is what they saw yesterday.
"We're going to run this for about an hour then allow aparatus to cool."
1225.5 g water
not reporting more than actual (datalogger)
16:06 GMT: (control, with no LENR) going to maximum condition using heaters and plasma
16:07 GMT "We have laready pressuried argon in the apratus." It's pressure is shown on datalogger
16:09 GMT "We're going to ignite the plasma inside."
this will be maximum power in.
of course we're not expecting anything important to happen.
"This will be the same condition as the reaction, with hydrogen (instead of argon), which we will do later today."
2772 Watts from heater
Total input: 2978 (moved camera)
output does not exceed 73 C
Yesterday synopsis (didn't catch numbers)
Result/conclusion: we cannot get excess heat with the Argon gas.
15:55 GMT increased input heat to 1263 W (datalogger)
15:58 GMT Matts is inspecting the other power cords in the room to see what they go to (to instrumentation, etc)
16:00 GMT I supposed you could hide some kind of power supply in the x cable.
John says "you are welcome after the experiment to cut the cable to rule out that possibility"
16:02 GMT John: This will be the last control test. After this, we'll put all the power in, which will be the same parameters as what we expect during the experiment.
measuring 67.8 C flow: 0.437 L/m (dattalogger)
16:04 GMT collecting water to corrobarate dattalogger with manual measurement
Note: John Hadjicristos is the lab technician explaning this operation.
15:51 GMT going to increase the flow
heat is 1145.5 Watts according to datalogger
1130 Watts manually measured, according to Matts Lewan
Note: they still have not started the LENR reaction. These are all control measurements, and to show a comparison between the datalogger readings and the manual measurement readings.
15:35 GMT waiting for system to stabilize at higher input energy setting
Note: this is not a "made for TV" soundbite presentation with quick intput/output demonstration. They are aiming to be very scientific, being methodical and redundant in their measurements.
Note: this "ICCF-18 Demo" is not taking place in Missouri. It is in Milan, where they broadcast from yesterday.
Note: Without being able to "pause" this live demo, I'm having a hard time keeping track of the numbers being reported what they are for, what their units are, where the decimal point is, whether they are from the datalogger or from manual measurement so please take all my numbers with a grain of salt. You'll have to wait until the recording is up to get an accurate report.
Note: the participants at ICCF-18 where they can file questions to be addressed
15:08 GMT Measuring current with clamp-on amp meters: 5.55 Amps
measuring voltage 88 Volts
calculation from manual measurement: ?? W
datalogger measuring 509 Watts
15:15 GMT measuring again
waiting for system to stabilize
Matts: on the mains
volate 220 AC typical
no DC voltage
15:23 GMT 48 C 0.26 flow output 48.7
15:27 GMT measuring water 871 grams
15:28 GMT, putting more power in
increased input to 851 Watts
waiting to stabilize
Taking manual measurements of set-up (not running yet)
224? grams is empty bucket
778? grams of water
compare with datalogger
0.42 L/minute datalogger
860 people watching
1280? grams water
reading 466 on datalogger
Repeat in higher flow
15:00 GMT collecting water at room temperature, when flow is reported as 0.898 L/m on datalogger
conclusion: our manual reading does not weigh more than what datalogger shows
15:05 GMT, will repeat control flow measurement again
15:07 GMT: 507 Watts input to heaters
2:25 GMT: shows rest of metals inside
filter for salts, water from grid pump to standardize pressue
measure pressure from gauge
two filters, microfilter pressure exhauster, remove air
sensitive flow milter to dataloggger
comes to thermal couple to measure temperature of coolant goes around coil, heats up, then hot water goes through insulated pipe, to thermal couple to measure output temp. goes to bucket to measure the water.
temp of coolant
Electrical input using 2 of three phases to power high-voltage...
measure accuracy of real-time measurements
power meter on datalogger
checking accuracy of datalogger
high-voltage generator, two lines, with high-voltage, DC current, to create the plasma we use to trigger the reaction
pump used to prepare the reactor, takes several hours to prepare using argon gas.
0:35 screen grab of datalogger signals
36 screen grab of data synopsis for COP calculation
measure currents from wires using clamp-on amp meter, to corroborate data-logger will report the results and accuracy.
will ask the participants to check for any hidden sources
will introduce in a few minutes
a few numbers to remember
total mas input: 60 grams
flow in room temp
14:40 GMT Introduce Participants:
including journalist Matts Lewan from NyTeknik, taking measurements as well (my experience with Matts shows him to be very accurate and careful as a scientist and journalist)
Test will run until 23:30 GMT Lab working on application development. Vancouver is the only one doing hard R&D.
Will be answering questions from ICCF-18
around 2:30-3:00 Missouri time
to honor the group of people who have been following the LENR field since Pons and Fleishmann. They are very experienced in doing measurements in this field. They are the most experienced in measuring excess heat in excess experiments.
Communation with science, technology
We won't try to answer theortical questions. Those may be addressed on Thursday when our presentation is given at ICCF-18.
#We intent to show COP more than 1. (Yesterday, we showed COP more than 4)
#Shows excess heat that is not classical
#Show level of error in measurements. Will chedk and double check.
#Show reproducability, with controls
Objective: cross check all measurements.
volume of water flow
8:15 am MST opened box
This one is R5 (revision 5)
Out of 250 grams, only 60 grams are reacting in chamber 5 grams are... the rest are structured
we assume all active material is 60 grams.
2:15 GMT The reactor in detail.
Shows thermal couples, weighs aparatus
weighing core reactor
datalogger screen 1
datalogger screen 2
(is being recorded and will be uploaded later)
https://vimeo.com/70846289 (in Italian) "high definition recording of the pre-cast, with no gaps"
It looks like the guy in the video yesterday was correct about the start-time after all. The clock countdown at http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US is now for 10:00 am EDT. The demo starts in a little less than three hours from now. I'm going back to bed. It's just past 5 am here. -- Sterling
I see an email from Nobel Laureate, Brian Josephson, saying:
: Defkalion has now resolved the confusion about when the webcast begins and adjusted the time on the web page (there is a message about the webcast there also): it is 10am EDT/ 3pm BST/ 8am MDT. It will run all day apparently which I guess will just be to prove it can go on working for a long time.
An update statement (timestamp around 11 am GMT) is found at yesterday's page: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
: Recording of the event
: Here you can find the high definition recording of the pre-cast, with no gaps: https://vimeo.com/70846289. We are sorry for the problems encountered yesterday during the broadcast: these problems were due to the fact that we were broadcasting from the "real" Defkalion labs with light equipment and crew. Today we will have a second (much longer) streaming from Defkalion labs: more info here https://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US
: From: "Brian Josephson"
: To: "Sterling Allan" "Symeon Tsalikoglou"
: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:44 AM [MST = GMT-6]
: Subject: Re: (urgent) need further clarification Re: time of Defkalion video on 23rd.
: Some further points:
: 1. The broadcast was not cut short, as the announcement at the beginning said it would be for just 1 hour.
: 2. However, the recording at the link below is only 30 min. long. What happened to the rest, if it did go on for 1 hour?
: 3. You will see the display of the startup process beginning just after 15:30.
: Brian D. Josephson
: Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Cambridge
: Director, Mind-Matter Unification Project
: WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
An email from Brain Josephson said:
: Sterling and Symeon,
: The problem is that the ticker and the announcement made more than once differ by 3 hours. Given that they want people in the US to see it, the later time seems more plausible. Perhaps the web page just shows the period that the webcast was booked for.
: Near the beginning [on July 22,] they zoomed in on a monitor that appeared to show the reactor starting up, and producing excess heat, so it looks as if it was working. Perhaps if all went well there wouldn’t have been anything interesting happening after that, so all they did was give a lecture about the reactor? I heard what appeared to be some historical stuff.
Here's a screenshot from the video: http://vimeo.com/70846289 time stamp 24:44
I kept asking Symeon Tsalikoglou of Defkalion for clarification about what the Milan demonstration was supposed to be, versus what it ended up being, and whether it was being postponed to July 23 at 4 pm "European Time", but the only answer he gave after several responses, was the answer below.
I can only guess that the Milan demo is scrapped, and they are focusing on the ICCF-18 demo, rather than running the two concurrently.
Symeon Tsalikoglou of Defkalion wrote by email
: There is only one more broadcast.
: There is a countdown ticker.
That ticker says it will begin Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:00am EDT — Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:00pm EDT
E-cat greek of Defkalion: new details on the reactor (GreenStyle.it July 22, 2013)
(Translated by Google)
: All well and good, sometimes a bit 'boring maybe, but the great event Defkalion ended with a nice little fact.
: The discussion among those present, including an Italian coach of Defkalion, Luca Gamberale, immediately bogged down in the face of evidence: was not present any real test. the machine was turned on, but the guests were rather busy talking, rather than to observe what was going on. The objective of the public chat, then, was to summarize the state of the discussion around the cold fusion.
: It is therefore talked about the fact that the majority of scientists do not consider the LENR and cold fusion phenomenon really exists, but the fact that they are now hundreds departments that are working on producing articles and experiments, it has been said of the interest NASA on the subject and the fact that to date no independent testing has been done with "all the trappings."
: None of this, however, is new to anyone who reads our site.
: Something new has emerged on the operation of the reactor greek. to trigger the reaction would not be a catalyst. The nickel powder is in fact brought to a higher temperature than the ambient temperature and then the 'hydrogen is electrically excited (an electric discharge at high voltage). At this point would be made of low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) that generate heat in quantity. The technical Defkalion has, however, stated that his company does not declare that they are never really of nuclear reactions to generate this heat (despite the nuclear reactions would occur). We understand what it does not know. It is probably an attempt to consider the LENR field of physics separated from the "traditional nuclear".
: That's it? For now, yes. In fact, those present made ??it clear that tomorrow there will be the actual presentation, complete with a connection with the United States . The transmission will last at least 6 hours will be in English. There will be presentations much more technical. the appointment is, then, see you tomorrow at 16.00.
The live webcast link, http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita , which was to show the demo for 12 hours, displayed "Event Over". Apparently a 1-hour explantion of the set-up was given, and the demo was postponed to the following day.
If you click on "Archived Posts" you will see (I presume) recordings of the opening explanation.
This updated apparead in the comments at E-CatWorld.com
: Today’s broadcast will last only one hour, it is not meant to be a validation test, and is meant for the general public.
: Tomorrow’s broadcast in English will last 8 hours and will be more technically oriented.
Cold Fusion : Defkalion First of Two Planned Demonstrations - The first of two planned live streaming public demonstrations took place today. We were not able to embed the video’s and have provided the links to each one under the photograph. A second demo is scheduled tomorrow. (Revolution-Green July 22, 2013)
E-cat greek of Defkalion: new details on the reactor - Summary of the discussion stream on cold fusion reactor of Defkalion: a few new, but is only a preview of what will happen tomorrow. (GreenStyle.it July 22, 2013)
Taliban on Sunday (rough translation by Google) - Today from 12 am, the "non-partisan" dr. Federico "skeptics are Taliban" Pedrocchi and Maurizio "are physical Sunday "Melis of" Moebius, the transmission of science Radio24 - Il Sole 24 Ore ", describe streaming (1) the operation of the reactor to cold fusion with Dr.. ing. Franco Cappiello, owner since 2012 of Defkalion Europe Coming Soon. The ing. Dr.. Cappiello is famous for having invented the generator of antimatter that, according to Legambiente, applies to propulsion for road transport and spatial production of heat and power and the destruction of radioactive waste, and others. (OggiScienza July 22, 2013)
DEFKALION'S TEST PROTOCOL FOR PUBLIC DEMO - (Ego Out July 21, 2013)
Another 22 slap! - Our agent from Milan, knowledgeable MYSTERY continues to provide important news on the test reactor Ni-H Defkalion (the "clone" of the greek ' E-Cat of Andrea Rossi ) test which will be broadcast tomorrow on July 22 at 12 am (22Passi July 21, 2013)
Today, after 12 has been turned on in order to verify the measurement setup and the streeming currently the COP is 6.4 continues to grow, you should settle around 7 to 7.2.
Tomorrow will be loaded with 5g of powders [we assume very similar to those of the ' E-Cat of Andrea Rossi ].
The stream will be live for 2 hours, then turn off the reactor and to rekin