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Oct. 11, 2004
try to change the Diode 1N4007 to a better and faster one.
You are loosing output power, cause the 1N4007 is pretty slow in switching.
As it depends on the spikes and fast transfer of this energy pulse
a better and fast diode will bring much faster recharge of the second battery.
One other question:
Does the neon bulb blink ?
If yes, than too much energy could be wasted this way.
As it seems gas discharge is very important for the functioning
of this circuit (seems to simulate the spark in mechanical switching and thus the negative current spikes
like in Newman motors)
it could not be substituted with something else.
But if the neon bulb just only protects the transistor by discharging to high voltages to ground, then this energy
Regards, Stefan Hartmann.
What spec diode would you recommend? I'm not conversent in these kinds of things.
The purpose of the neon bulb is to provide somewhere for the energy to go if the receiving battery is disconnected from the circuit. It does not light unless the receiving battery is disconnected and hence does not effect the efficiency of the circuit under normal circumstances.
Try a BY228 as in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-
energy/files/electronpumping_fl_tube.gif this circuit]
I did compare this circuit with a 1N4007 and the BY228.
With the BY228 the tube was shining much more brightly,
cause the BY228 is much faster in switching which gives
more light in this circuit !
Also I made the experience, that these small neon tubes
which you use to protect the 2N3055 transistor are very good,
when one uses them in some pulses power systems.
As these also have this glow discharge region in their diagramm, they
can act as a spark gap.
So try to put one additionally in series with the BY228 directly
before the second battery. That could enhance the charging of this
battery. Could be, that then the 1st neon bulb at the transistor is
also blinking ( firing), but then just use there a second neonbulb in
series there, so you have 2 in series there and the voltage is then
about 160 Volts when these 2 in series will fire.
So normally only the one at the second battery will fire and recharge
this battery as this already fires at about 80 volts.
I hope the 2N3055 can stand these high voltages, I have to look it up
again. Otherwise you can use also 2 or 3 White LEDs in series at the
transistor in series with the neon bulb. This will raise the fire
voltage of this neon bulb about 10 Volts higher than the neon bulb at
the second battery and thus only the neon bulb at the second battery
will fire in normal operation.
Hope this helps.
I refer to the Directory:Bedini SG:Schematic page:
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Sterling, you can use
this circuit also on your page, if you want:
(need to uplaod this for people who don't have access to free-energy group)
If you take a bigger neon bulb and
wind a coil around it and use one of the coil ends as
an antenna and the other end grounded, then you can
suck in additional power from the free electrons from the
environment. You have to try, how the coil is positioned
over the bulb. Could be, that you have to turn the coil
by 90 degrees.
P.S: The coil makes no contact with the circuit and just works
as some kind of electromagnetic valve for the neon gas
I learned this, when I experimented with the Xenon tubes
and neon tubes a few years back.
P.S: or the ground site of this extra coil can be connected to the
ground of the drive or charge battery !
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Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann
Hartmann Multimedia Service http://www.harti.com
Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany
email: [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com]
Oct. 12, 2004 [please excluse lack of diplomacy]
[...] The fact is, the circuit components chosen were given to Sterling because we know this specific set of components WORKS on this "flea power" machine!
If you knew what the circuit was doing, you would know that the neon bulb is there simply to protect the transistor from second emitter breakdown in the event that the secondary battery connection is broken. High frequency diodes don't work here. We know, we actually TRIED them, many times. They never worked.
All of your recommendations are WRONG. [...]
Quoting from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-energy/message/13923
Oct. 12, 2004
Hi John and Sterling,
If your original circuit would work, you would
already see an increase of both battery voltages,
but after your runs you now see a decrease !
This is because you are using just an electronic transistor
switch with no glow discharge mechanical switch and
the neon bulb in your circuit is really only there to protect the
transistor in case the charge battery gets loose.
The neon bulb in your circuit is normally not firing, so you
don´t see its positive effects.
ALso it is much better to drop the transistor all in all
and substitute it via 4 reed relay switches in series.
Then you also don´t need the 2nd coil( sense coil) anymore !
I have had many years in practical experiences with the Newman
motors and other pulse circuits.
The problem I have since a few years, that I don´t have much time
and space to build myself in this moment and I don´t have a lab, but
I hope this will change in 2005 again.
I will post later this evening a better circuit diagram with the
Oct. 12, 2004
Here is the proposed 2nd circuit.
It relies on mechanical switching !
If you put 4 reed relay switches in series
in close proximity
and let them switch on and off via the approaching magnet,
you will get a much better dI/dt current change.
Also you need one coil only !
You can also make this coil bigger than with bigger
wire size diameter and more turns, so you have more copper
wire al in all, while keeping the ohmic resistance
the same and have more stored magnetic energy,
which is then converted into RF energy at the spikes
(RF bursts) and recharges BOTH batteries.
These are the Newman principles.
With 2 switches in series I got once already a total negative
input current into my Newman coil and more switches in series enhance
You have to place the reed relay switches in the right position, so
they switch the coil on and off at the right moment, so the magnet
gets the right attraction or repelling. You have to experiment, which
is better, attraction or repelling, see what will give the best back
current pulse on a scope.
It could be, that you have to replace the contact points of the
reed relay switches with graphite and copper contact points, so
the real spark gap glow discharge effect will occur and maximize this
way the negative back current spikes for optimum recharge of both
batteries. ( You can also build your own reed relay switches with
small magnets glued to a graphite-copper switch !)
You can also experiment to change the diode or leave it totally out,
but then put 2 or 3 neon bulbs in series to have a higher current
shutdown-voltage ( higher than both batteries in series).
Hope this helps.
Sterling, with this circuit you should definately see the batteries
get more charge than with the transistor circuits !
Regards, Stefan. - ??? mew ???
Stefan Hartmann (http://www.overunity.com) adds:
Sterling, did you try any of Directory:Stefan Hartmann Circuit yet with your wheel ?
You must have a glow discharge in some way to get
"radiant energy" ( RF bursts and back current pulses)
recharging the batteries much faster.
In the circuit you are using, you just shuffle the energy
back and forth in the 2 batteries and with the wheel losses
you will loose energy all in all and the batteries finally discharge.
Bedini´s and Lindeman´s claim, that it needs several
charge/discharge cycles for any OU to show in the batteries
is not logical !
If the circuit is not able to charge BOTH batteries after a few cycles
of exchanging the batteries, then you just have a wrong circuit !
All Newman circuits that just used transistor switches for the commutator failed to
recharge his batteries ! You must use glow discharges to get the these RF bursts to work for
the batteries !
Oct. 14, 2004
I do plan on trying one of your circuits. Should be quite easy to do.
Have you built a successful demonstration of your circuit? Have you
published your data? Where can I see it?
Say what you want about Directory:Bedini SG. I've seen his stuff work. I've seen his
You don't have to have a spark discharge. That is the beauty of what
they have discovered. They accomplish in a high rise time what the spark
discharge accomplishes. Don't even need a rotor. They have solid state
iterations. Saw them.
Oct. 15, 2004
Today Peter and I built your circuit using one of the motors that we know works as hooked up the way we instructed Sterling.
'Here are the results of the test.'
We hooked up the circuit as you posted to Sterling, we connected the Neon bulb between the output diode and the positive pole on the out put battery, leaving the rest of the circuit the same, we left the neon on the collector emitter junction so the device could go up to 90 volts and beyond, the neon's were bright reddish blue most of the time. What we did not see after 20 minutes of playing with this was, the primary battery continued to fall in voltage all the way down to about 10.50 volts. The secondary battery stayed at the voltage of the battery at standing, around 12.78 volts. Then we put back the circuit to the way we instructed Sterling to do it, with a dead primary battery at now at 11volts, because the semiconductor was not in cross-conduction any longer due to the voltage and frequency, the back battery immediately shot up to 13.06 volts and continued to charge.
This is what we have seen with this circuit that you have posted, have you ever tested it yourself?
Oct. 14, 2004
I had a lot of my Newman work online until
about 3 years ago, when the server crashed, where
it was hosted.
I still have to see, where I have stored it away
in my files and CDs.
I already uploaded a few pieces( the most important ones)
There you can also see the spikes and RF bursts, that are
important for the battery recharges...
If Bedini and Lindemann really have working
solidstate devices, why don´t they show them ?
What are they doing with them and what is the output power
Now almost all is back online at:
( full HTML page overview, easy to browse !)
and a few more things at:
Oct. 14, 2004
Let's be very clear on this subject, I have nothing to do with Newman, so let's not associate Newman with me. I don't mind answering your questions about why I have only put out data on the school girl motor. This technology was developed by me under funding and I would not think that my investors would take kindly to that. Yes we have developed bigger and much better systems, which I file patents on.
Everything I do is for the betterment of mankind, but you must understand the basic system first. I will make the details known in time to everybody, when all the interference goes away, like Bap for one, who you seem to condone as an expert who you just let slander me day after day. When I offered my machine, you did not even pay attention to anything I said, so why should I release anything to your group, or any other groups.
October 28, 2004
Try this test:
Use 2 equal 9 Volt batteries from the same manufacturer batch run
production and run one on the motor with transistor setup as posted
in the [Bedini]
There was an error working with the wiki: Code and one with mechanical commutator ( switches).
The one with mechanical switching will at least run twice as long.
(If you have small sparks at the switch and don´t suppress them by
grounding the unit).
I have already done these tests
a few years ago all along with my Newman coils !
Look at this smaller left coil:
This coil with a powerfull permanent magnet inside
(glued a rod to the Samarium perm. magnet)
It is the same principle there as with your Solid state Bedini Motor !
With transistor switching no back current pulse,
with mechanical switching this:
You get these negative current spikes only,
if you use mechanical switching with the right electrodes !
I would not give these advices,
if I had not done all these tests during this time
and also JL Naudin has had the same results, as we have pointed already out !
The problem was. at this time, that I wanted to maximize the
mechanical motor output and always killed the spark RF burst energy pulse
output via my Fluorescent tubes and did not use it to charge back the batteries !
I also wanted to prevent the commutator from burning up and the batteries for overcharging...
Now as I have more insight after all these years and newer experiments with electrodes
I am just trying to give advices to people, who are knew to coil switching devices.
Unfortunately I have currently some
other work to do, so I don´t have much time to build but will try again to work
on this in 2005 .
is the same basic circuit as a Bedini-circuit
and your solid state Bedini circuit !
The only difference is:
I replaced the transistor switch a a mechanical switch and
thus I also need no control coil !
I used a mechanical relay switch and when the samarium magnet was falling
back into the coil due to gravity, after the current was cut from the coil,
the relay was again triggered by my function generator running at only a few Hz.
So the magnet went up and down inside the coil.
Do you see it now ?
Also my magnet was not ontop the coil as in your
Solid State Bedini motor, but mostly inside the coil.
But I also pulled it out once and put it ontop the coil
and the basic effects did not change much, only the amplitude
of the back current pulses, when I remember correctly.
I also tried this same circuit with transistor switching,
but there you only see the waveforms you also have´at your coil, just these single voltage spikes, but no back current pulses !
The curious thing is:
Normally the current pulse must flow in the positive direction from the battery
to the coil , due to the classical coil theory,
but it DOES NOT ! It flows into the negative direction, that means it charges UP
the battery. But you will only get these negative current pulses, if you use
a mechanical switch.
Please study this again:
Here you can see again,
that when the negative current spike appears,
the battery voltage will rise !
First trace is the battery voltage (Power supply in my case),
second trace is the input current into the coil.