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The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor
An Open Source Energy Project
Back in July of 2007, Directory:Steorn Free Energy embarrassed themselves by hosting a world-viewing demo of what was supposed to be a free energy device that defies the laws of physics as presently understood (wouldn't be the first time in history). Unfortunately, their demo was botched. http://pesn.com/2007/07/05/9500478_Orbo_Demo/
Meanwhile, a couple of Steorn forum members began kicking around ideas for how to build an all-magnet motor with no other motive force. "Overconfident" came up with the idea, and Nikolabackwards (code for his actual username that he requested to not appear here) ended up building a prototype with some variations of his own, then shot a
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After Al gives it a kick start, and gets one of the stator magnet in sync in counter-gear-wise direction, the motor accelerates to 1700 rpm, at which time the secondary magnet spins at 4200 rpm. Then, when Al manually stops two of the three stator magnets, the assembly accelerates further (stator magnet goes to around 5,000 rpm, as measured by an optical tachometer). He later did a duration test, and it ran continuously for more than seven hours, at which time he stopped it because he had to go to bed. Update May, 04: Alsetalokin says: "No, I haven't done any more long runs, the seven-hour plus run already reported is the longest. Theoretical considerations predict that 9-10 hours is the maximum to be expected, before some regenerative process must take place." http://fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?t=343&start=23
: "It spins, we don't know why." -- Nikolabackwards (Jan. 6, 2008) http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=10#Item_43
: "This is not a final product it's only a bit odd 'anomaly' observed when trying different designs during construction." -- Yirkha, who posted the
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Seeing Al's video, many people have embarked on OS:MPMM:Replications the effect. OS:MPMM:Replications:CLaNZeR appears to have been the first, showing transient (~2 seconds) acceleration, using a modified magnet configuration. As of Feb. 3, 2008, six others have reported brief acceleration or maintenance of speed. On Feb. 3, OS:MPMM:Replications:Bruce TPU posted two videos showing extended, gradual acceleration in a variant set-up.
On Jan. 18, 2008, after many requests for additional video footage, Al sent Overconfident a
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We expect that additional OS:MPMM:Replications will continue to emerge, documenting, characterizing, and improving on the effect, though the initial difficulty has put a damper on the enthusiasm that initially ensued after Al's first video was posted.
The OS:MPMM:Plans, apparently, is quite temperamental with very narrow tolerances. Not all the original specs are known because Al did not source things from catalogues, but basically used what was lying around in some cases, such as magnets.
: "My take is that this newly-discovered phenomenon will take many months to characterize and optimize into something truly useful and cost effective." -- Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan (Feb. 3, 2008)
On May 6, 2008, Nikolabackwars wrote: "The OC project is alive and well, doing better than ever before." http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60706#Item_10
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None. Overconfident and Nikolabackwards are utilizing the public forum at Steorn.com for their brainstorming, research and development and they don't seem to appreciate others jumping in and asking questions now that this new video has been posted. Be prepared for hostility, even for saying nice things.
We invite you to dredge through the Steorn forum's many comments and post here as much information as can be gleaned, for possible replication of the device.
On Jan. 5, 2008, the inventor, "overconfident" wrote:
In a nutshell:
1) Go for it!
2) Make it public
3) Share information
4) Search the threads for information before interrupting our efforts here
I'll try to answer any technical questions to the best of my ability, but in general I just prefer to keep distractions to a minimum. Please encourage people to read through the threads first before asking questions. Most of what I know and at leat a significant portion of what Al knows is already posted there. If you wanted to put together a more understandable document, there is already a good start from riterX on my ning page.
The OC MPMM - Al[...] Video - "This is a repost of the original Alsetalokin's video showing how his implementation of Overconfident's idea looks like so far. See http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.... for more info. The original video has been marked for private viewing only by the author, but he permitted reposting it by others." (Posted by Yirkha YouTube Jan. 4, 2008)
We made a copy of this video. Let us know if the above video is removed, or if it is made private, and we'll post it anew. -- SilverThunder 03:29, 5 Jan 2008 (EST)
The OC MPMM - Alsetalokin's Video Brighter version - "A brighter version of the Alsetalokin's OC MPMM video, for all the people asking for a brighter version." (YouTube Jan. 5, 2008)
The OC MPMM - Alsetalokin's Video Brighter and Louder (YouTube January 06, 2008)
The OC MPMM - Alsetalokin's Video Restored Bright video and noise-filtered audio (YouTube May 17, 2008)
Video in WMV format (better quality): http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/alsvideo.wmv
I edited Al's video to slow motion and altered the zoom/contrast a bit, thought some people here might be interested to see. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg71122.html#msg71122
http://www.stage6.com/user/henry567/video/2086170/ (Larger video size)
Voice transcription:"Uh...Ok So this will be a demo of some of the characteristics of the OC MPMM's. We can see that by gently moving any of these rotating stator... sorry about the light... moving these rotating stator magnets just a little bit and if you're in the right spot they really take off. This one is the middle magnet over here. Here are the... magnokinetic Judson dampers, the pulleys are for eventual friction testing. Ok now, it takes a couple of tries to get it started. What I'm gonna do is, spin the rotor clockwise by hand... and then I'm gonna... and we'll note that the stator magnets will spin gearwise, that is anti-clockwise Then I'm gonna stop this magnet and, spin it anti-gearwise and see if I can get it to synchronize. It takes... several tries as you can see ok... so we didn't quite catch it there. There is goes, ok now as you can see once that magnet starts spinning the assembly accelerates and uh... just to show ya. Ok...well there ya go, um... little magnet is going 4200 RPM. Okay... well so 1288, that right or 2288, anyway I'll see if I can... there's some interaction here between the fluorescent light and the speed of that magnet but anyway say, about 1700 RPM ok... now I'm gonna stop these two magnets, I don't know if you can hear it or not but the assembly is speeding up. Woops, that's not a good reading... I'll do it some more. Ok, so now were over 4000 almost 5000 RPM on that small magnet"
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Second Video - Alsetalokin Second Video sent to overconfident on Jan. 18, 2008 shows the unit being disassembled, showing both sides ends with the unit being thrown in the trash. (YouTube Jan. 18, 2008)
Video in WMV format (better quality): http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Alsetalokinsecondvideo.wmv
Overunity Forum - quotes Steorn forum where Al comments to OC: "I have here a much brighter video. I don't like it, but I'm going to send it to patifier and CLaNZeR. It is Al's response to the petition in this thread."
high-res versions of Al..'s video including frame-by-frame for analysis. (by CLaNZeR)
[Trailer] - Awesome, professionally rendered spoof. "The whipmag has become a big budget high drama movie, and this is the trailer. Coming Soon... Well not really, its in the trash." (by eyepatchentertainmen YouTube Jan. 18, 2008)
"This second video by Al, sent to OC, reminds me of this one: Scott Hill's gravity wheel ending in a pile of ashes." -- Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Third Video - Stroboscopic movie of OCMPMM. Shows rotation in slow motion, to allow visualization of the location of the stator magnet in relation to the rotor magnets. (YouTube January 24, 2008)
OCMPMM strobe stabilized - tried to stabilize the movement and flashing lights. (YouTube January 26, 2008)
Video in WMV format (better quality): http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/alsetalokin/AlsetalokinsThirdVideo.wmv
Alsetalokin, from http://fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?t=307: "In the strobe video I am using a different stator magnet/bearing pair than in the first video--the other of the two good ones I have. I just re-checked the marking with the viewing film, and you are right, I marked this one a little off. Less than 5 degrees, but a perceptible amount. If you are looking down at the top of the magnet, the true pole positions are rotated a couple of degrees clockwise from the markings on the magnet. Sorry! I hope a description is good enough, it may be some time before I can post a corrected strobe video." (Jan, 26, 2008)
SLOW OCMPMM Alsetalokin Third Video - Stroboscopic movie of OCMPMM. Shows rotation in 'much slower motion', to allow visualization of the location of the stator magnet in relation to the rotor magnets. (YouTube January 24, 2008)
Illustrates why the ratio of rotor:stator speed is 1:4.
http://overunity.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=90.0 - more info
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.1635.html - discussion
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fourth Video (part 1) - Slow-motion movie of OCMPMM at 2000 fps.
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fourth Video (part 2) - Slow-motion movie of OCMPMM at 2400 fps.
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fourth Video (part 3) - Slow-motion movie of OCMPMM at 4800 fps.
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fourth Video (part 4) - Slow-motion movie of OCMPMM at 4800 fps. This video is taken as the unit slows down from a failed AGW run--the stator is in AGW but the unit is just coasting. Note the big wobble of the stator as it loses synch.
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fourth Video (part 5) - Slow-motion movie of OCMPMM at 800 fps. The rotor was spun by hand, and let the stator do whatever it wanted to.
1. The line on the baseplate indicates a radius -it starts at the center of the rotor axle, and proceeds thru the stator mounting hole, and beyond (although you can't see that part in the vids)
2. The stator magnet has been re-marked--the black/silver boundary is now exactly on the N-S boundary as indicated by the mag viewing film.
3. The extra dots on the stator are there for additional positional references. No specific angle. I just thought it would be easier to refer to "the boundary nearest the dots" for example.
4. The first 3 clips were taken at stable running RPM. The unit is running so fast the washing-machine agitation is long in the past.
5. To use the Object tracking feature, you manually place a marker on the object in the first frame of interest, then another marker on the last frame of interest. OOPS - I forgot to measure the distance of the camera to the object. Sorry - I'll give more info on object tracking after I RTFM.
6. The rotor is marked with magnet numbers and a radial line at magnet #1.
7. Surprisingly, the heat of the 2 kW photofloods did affect the unit quite a bit. I almost couldn't get it running.
OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fifth Video (May 11, 2008)
Note from Alsetalokin: "The present clip starts with the unit running, 1 AGW and 2 GW stators. At 0:02 I stop the GW stators and it is evident that the unit speeds up and maintains a steady speed until about 0:38 when I stop the AGW stator. Then the unit coasts to a stop. " http://www.fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?t=347&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=58
Source of 'leaked' video: http://yirkha.fud.cz/whipmag/Whipmag-whatever-20080511-REPACK-HIRES-PROPER.avi
Filtered version of OCMPMM Alsetalokin Fifth Video
See Parts List
On Jan. 11, 2008, alsetalokin wrote:
"The reasons why I cannot leave the unit unattended while running, should be obvious to anyone.
"Nevertheless, I have started the unit. It is currently running with the rotor going counterclockwise, the two idler stators stopped (seeing each other nicely across the spinning rotor) and the "middle" stator spinning antigearwise, that is also counterclockwise in this case.
"For some reason it seems to be working rather well tonight. The rotor rpm is 1334, the stator rpm is 5378. It was difficult to start, it took maybe 20 flips of the stator magnet in all before it "caught". But I am developing a thumb technique that is easier than the finger.
"I started it at 02:14.
"It is pretty noisy with the bearings chattering and growling, but I think I might be able to sleep.
Now, If it is still running when I have to go to work, I am going to have to stop it manually.
There is absolutely no way that I will leave it running unattended (by me.)
"Good Night. Please pray for me."
just tinkering in open source
Steorn forum user "overconfident" came up with this design.
: "I had an idea inspired by a dream. I have spent several months of my time just trying to get someone to consider the idea. Al is the only person who has. I do not have the education, knowledge, skills, or desire to develop this myself. I don't want money or fame, just someone to give some serious consideration to the idea I posted here. Talking with me would serve no purpose. I prefer to remain anonymous." ('Overconfident' Jan. 14, 2008) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg70739.html#msg70739
Steorn forum member "Al" (Alsetalokin) ('Nicola Tesla' written backwards, obviously a pseudonym). Appears to reside in Mississauga, ON, Canada contact info not publicly available. You can send him a private message by clicking here.
See OS:MPMM:Replications - Several people are working on replicating this effect. As those are completed, we invite you to link to them or report them here. This is a publicly editable site, so all you need is a user/pass, and you can create a page reporting your replication.
OS:MPMM:Replications:CLaNZeR - Using a temporary stator magnet configuration, awaiting arrival of the proper stator magnets, Sean CLaNZeR showed brief acceleration in his replication of "Overconfident's" all-magnet motor built by Al... As far as we can tell, this marks the first successful replication of the effect to any extent. (PESWiki Jan 14, 2008)
OS:MPMM:Replications:hydrocontro - User "hydrocontro" proposes that this counter-rotating stator design accomplishes what he observed in another magnet motor design he built which only worked if the stator were held by hand. He also observes that his MPMM replica "spins better one direction (CCW) then the other (CW)". (PESWiki Jan. 15, 2008)
OS:MPMM:Replications:AuthoroldHorseface - reports "a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds" (Jan. 15, 2008)
OverUnity.com: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!! - Many people working on replicating the effect, comparing notes. (Thread commenced January 04, 2008)
Steorn forum: WhipMag Rotor development (MPMM) - The original forum where Overconfident and Al... first tossed the idea back and forth.
Steorn Forum: The OC Magnetic Perpetual Motion Machine - chat - for observers and newcomers.
Some sample comments here:
Achieving acceleration from just magnets interacting, as appears to be the case here, is truly remarkable. It certainly isn't ready for market not close but it is proof of concept that magnets can provide motive force. That is groundbreaking.
The next thing will be to show that no degaussing is taking place. For this to be a valuable effect, not just interesting science, you need to show that the acceleration is not at the expense of magnets loosing their strength through some new scientific discovery.
On Jan. 9, 2008, Robert Calloway wrote:
After studying this design further, it seems a serious break through has been found by these guys. The rotating stator magnet(s) allow the (diametrically placed) rotor magnets to obtain pure attraction through out the whole rotor rotation process. Repel has been eliminated in this design. The north pole of the rotor magnet is attracted to the south pole of the stator magnet. As the (diametrically placed) rotor magnet bloch wall approaches, the north pole of the stator magnet flips around to attract the south pole of the rotor magnet. Drag is only felt in the exit process. This is easily overcome by the other properly placed stator magnets. Magnetic flux depletion is of no concern in this design. Repel hammering is what kills magnets. There is no repel in this sweet design, only pure attraction. Simple harnessing of electron spin.
This is very significant.
On Jan. 6, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Todd Hathaway wrote:
It's easy enough to reproduce - so build it yourself and post your own videos of this proof of concept model.
On Jan. 5, 2008, User:Legendre wrote:
Incidentally, it's not only important to analyze the magnetic elements for
possible degaussing, but also for possible saturation or supersaturation.
Unconfirmed: Something apparently causes the device to stop every few
hours, though it may be immediately restarted. If so, the mechanism behind
this odd behavior must be understood. I would tend to guess that the
magnets are becoming saturated, and require a bit of relaxation time
before the mechanism can again operate.
On Jan. 5, 2008, RunningBare wrote:
I for one hope they both keep their feet on the ground and continue to research and experiment before they start shouting OU or similar. But I gotta admit, I'm very excited about this!
On Jan. 16, 2008, mikeytown2 wrote:
If anyone has a vid that people think everyone here should see, upload it here (http://www.sendspace.com/) and i'll mess around with it then put it up on the googlepage. If its a successful video, I'll put it up on youtube as well. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg71126.html#msg71126
http://www.ospmm.org/whipmag/ Alsetalokin photos of the whipmag(OC-MPMM)
http://fizzx.com The Steorn Replications Board
http://www.overunity.com The International open source free energy research forum
http://www.steorn.com/forum Official Steorn forum
http://www.overunity.org.uk CLaNZeR blog
Neither "Overconfident", the inventor, nor Nikolabackwards, the builder, wish to divulge their contact information. Those wishing to pose questions to them need to do so through the FizzX forum. That said, Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan does have Overconfident's email address and is willing to forward appropriate, private correspondence. Most correspondence, though, can be send through the Steorn forum.
User:Niente - Has been active in updating thess MPMM pages.
User:SilverThunder - CEO of PES Network, Inc, has also been keeping a close eye on this project and updating these pages.
User:Yadaraf - Has been actively engaged in Whipmag project since January 2008. Currently supporting Phase II replication.
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