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'Dec. 4, 2004 Report from Rick Friedrich's Replication of John Bedini's Directory:Bedini SG'

Dec. 4, 2004

From: "rickfriedrich"


Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:50 PM

Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Harlan Sanders reports in

Thanks John for sending this Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:HS. Looking forward to

more information about it. I went to the small Sanders site and

found nine small pictures of the wheel with two areas on the

cirucuit whited out. Each picture could be enlarge (picture 8 does

not work half way). I did a web search on Harlan Sanders and found

some info about the original site being taken down and a report

about someone else taking it over. On the Sanders site mentioned

below it says "Welcome to the home of the REAL Harlan Sanders". In

my research using I was able to see the

pages before they were removed. On the site was some info on a

another Bedini pulse motor that we were talking about before (which

I was mistanken about). Sanders claimed some success then in 2003

with that machine. There is also two short videos of John's machine

with John speaking. Anyway it seems there is bits of information

about these Bedini processes floating around here and there over the

last few years or more. As I am just beginning to understand these

things it has been helpful for me to understand the big picture by

examining all the different machines.

I do agree that it is important to follow directions exactly. Some

of us have to work with what we have until further parts come in. I

started out with the spinning CDs (which I soon upgraded to 6

instead of 4). They were still spinning and charging two of my

useless batteries (that I also had tried to charge with regular

chargers and which would not go above 12 volts, etc.) till I used

the circuit and coil for my new 17 inch wheel. The batteries took a

long time to rise in voltage. But in the last few days they have

increased faster. They were about 13.5 volts while I had not rotated

them but kept them on steady charge. They have not be charged with

any other charger since I started. The powering battery is the deep

cell which has been charged with a regular charger a few times. I

think I am seeing something happening here. I realize that the CD

rotor is not what was called for since it is the exact circuit and

is charging it should do something. I had read somewhere on the web

site that the magnets needed to be separated by at least 1.5 magnets

for it to work. The CD magnets have that much space. And the next

setup I did had a little more space. But then Peter said I need to

keep the magnets at least three spaces apart from each other. I

tried that on my large wheel but that had too much resistance to

continue to spin. But two days ago I put together my newly found old

17 inch plastic wheel. I put the magnets three spaces apart and set

up a wooden frame (I'll post pictures later). The wheel would not

keep spinning with the setup as in the others. My friend suggested I

spin it the other way. I did not think it would make a difference

but it did. And it has been spinning constantly since (until I moved

it). It did get faster and faster in the two days running even

though that was not corresponding to the voltage levels in either

batteries (when they were higher or lower the speed kept

increasing). I have continued to rotate charging my two new

batteries. I am acutally showing a very slow overall drop in voltage

charge (with this and the other wheel). This new wheel has bad

bearings though (which are getting better!). We cleaned them out and

put new grease in them but they are worn. I will see what I can do

about improving any of my three bike wheels today (Now I have made

the two plastic wheels better). The other thing that slightly works

against these batteries is that they are in 20 degree F temperatures

(the CD motors are inside though).

This email was slowly written throughout the day as can be seen. I

decided to stop my successful spinning CDs to use my best coil and

circuit for the new plastic wheel with 15 magnets on it. I figured

that that 17 inch wheel is more along the lines of the SG project

than the CDs. I set up the wheel inside where the CDs were spinning

(picture coming later) and it runs faster than I can count. What was

interesting was that I had started charging the deep cell powering

battery and had it disconnected to the circuit. While charging I had

the wheel with a magnet directly over the coil about 1/8'. When I

connected the circuit I noticed the wheel started to spin by itself.

Then, because I had hit one of the magnets and was attempting to

glue it back on, I stopped the wheel by disconnecting the battery.

When I connected it again I noticed a faint very low rumbling sound

with no movement at the wheel (while the magnet was directly over

the coil). I was going to record this sound but first unplugged my

charger (which is the new processor controlled kind). There was no

sound after that. The sould was coming from the coil and not the

circuit or charger. When I tried to do it again by plugging it in, I

could not make the sound. I gather that the sound occurred only when

the charger was charging. For my charger often keeps charging and

showing a less than 100% charge on batteries, even though when I

unplug it and replug it in it will then show 100% as is the case. So

it appears that if I have it on charge with no wheel movement, while

the batter is not 100% charged, it might make that noise again. I

have not checked it again since 2 hours ago.

I decided to follow the advice of others with my CD circuit 9v

battery charging setup. I used my 4 magnet CD rotor on my newly

built CD drive base. I hooked up two non-chargeable 9v batteries to

the charging end (in parallel), with one rechargeable 9v battery on

the powering end in parallel with a 9v adapter that gave out 9.2v

unconnected to anything else. The dead charging batteries increased

their voltage from 7.5 to 9 within 45 minutes. I had to figure out

where to put the coil as the CDs would spin too fast if within 1/2'

of the coil. It is somewhere between 3/4' to 1/2'. I found 3/4 inch

too far away and the CD eventually stopped. I also found that at the

present place the CD would speed up and slow down noticeably. There

was no other current draw in my home during those moments.

It looks like I will be able to charge up the 9v batteries much

faster than the car 12v and deep cells. I have many 9v batteries for

smoke detectors that all just died recently. They all went off

within a few days beeping at me from every direction. They are all

the same batteries discharged to the same point. Lets see if we can

charge them all up! But the first batteries being charged are

different from each other, one being dead, another being new. I will

see how they charge over the next few days before I try and charge

four or more of the same batteries mentioned.

I also got my 22' plastic fan stationary bike wheel going again in

an upright position instead of horizontal. It was spinning at about

60 RPM when I started it. I am using the 2 new deep cell batteries

for it (with the double knife switch for easy rotation every 12

hours or so).

I will now go and check out how they are all doing and film them.

I hope that at least those of us who have some success in building

these SG machines will be able to have access to the advanced added

diodes circuit.

Thanks for the report,


Additional update

I was able to upload three sets of new pictures and videos to my


The videos are low quality (originals are good and are saved). The

low quality videos do not show the multimeter numbers at times.

The pictures and videos are of the three new setups I have which I

mentioned last email.

The longer video of my new 17' wheel setup shows the rumble

phenomena. This only takes place when I am 2amp tricle charging the

powering battery while the circuit is hooked up and the magnets are

over the coil. While the magnets move away the low rumble fades out.

The older kind of charger (non-processor) did not produce this when

charging at two or 12 amps. Can someone explain this?

[Please note that if many people attempt to watch the videos at the

same time they may not work at that time.]


Sterling's Feedback

Dec. 4, 2004

Hi Rick,

Interesting report.

I've heard that the Bedini circuit does charge at least certain non-rechargeable batteries. As before, one should exercise precautions when experimenting -- fire extinguisher on hand, eye protection, washing hands after battery handling, etc.

Remember, too, that a battery's voltage level is not necessarily a good measure of what the battery's capacity is, and just a rise in voltage does not mean a battery is now that much more "powerful." You need some means of detecting the capacity of the battery for your data to be more meaningful.

Regarding the resonance you observed while the charger was connected, I will offer this explanation.

The solid state resonance can be hard to get to. I've not been able to get solid state resonance ever since I monkeyed around with the gap distance between the coil and my wheel. I just happened to have stumbled onto an ideal distance in my first assembly (I've not rigorously pursued it). The windows for solid state resonance are more narrow, especially of the audible resonance. I'm guessing that while your charger is plugged in, your input battery's voltage is enough higher that it is in a range that activates that solid state window, but when you disconnect the charger, the voltage drops below a level that works for that window.

I would predict that you could achieve the resonance without the charger by slightly adjusting the resistance on the resistor in the circuit.


Rick's Response


I am aware of the voltage limitations. I have not had the time or

interest to test the batteries with load tests yet because I have

not been confident that my machines have been properly set up as

they should be. And since my batteries are mostly bad batteries I

believe they will take longer to be restored and supercharged. There

may be some gain on them presently but I do not think they are ready

to be load tested yet. I also need to get some more equipment to

test things. Although when I get a little more time next week I will

try and do some load tests with what I have (I have a small

inverter, and several things to put loads on 9 volt batteries).

I will try and be careful with overcharging. I just checked all

three machines and batteries. All were running fine (some increase

on the voltage of the 17' charging batteries). I left the two

plastic wheels running (which appear to be going a little faster),

and the CD wheel/9v charger I stopped for the night. The two

charging batteries (which are not rechargeable, were almost at 12

volts while it was running. They were cold to the touch as the rest

of the room. The other battery hooked up in parallel with the 9v.

power supply, which is a new rechargeable battery, went down to

about 1 volt. The first two batteries mentioned, being charged,

after I disconnected the power, started dropping to 10 something

volts. I left it with the CDs stopped and a magnet in front of the

coil about a half inch. We will see what happens to the voltage over

night. I will replace all of these batteries with four equal dead

ones and nothing on the powering side but the 9v power supply

inverted from the AC outlet as some have suggested. I will also test

the other batteries somehow.

As for my low rumbling sound. It cannot be just a matter of

increasing the voltage or amp charge as my other charger did not

cause the same phenomena at either 2 or 12 amps. The new charger I

have is computerized to give an optimized charge. It claims to be

able to charge 2 or 3 times as fast by continually checking the

battery and charging at various predetermined rates that bring the

battery back to charge (supposedly in the safest and healthiest

way). So as I see it, the charger is not only charging the one

battery and supplying excess energy into the circuit to charge and

move the wheel and charge the other batteries (at least partly, the

other charge beyond the amps reading is the radiant energy), but it

also somehow is reacting with the coil/magnets. It does not appear

to be just a certain level of voltage here.

Next day and night

Every time I try and see if rumbling takes place it does just as at first (only with the one charger). These batteries are charging at about 13.68 last I checked many hours ago. This new wheel may be an improvement from the CDs. In the very early morning of the 6th I did count the RPM to be 134. The four 9v batteries are still charging at 10.91 volts on the other charger. The 22' wheel charger has maintained a rpm of around 70. The batteries being rotated on the knife switch are gradually decreasing in charge (I realize that if I hooked up three more batteries of the same kind that I would see much more interesting results. But these batteries cost me $85 each and I can't afford to spend more on batteries presently. After I supercharge these batteries and get a proper battery load discharger/tester I may get more identical batteries and compare them.

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