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Archive of the Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo from May 1-5, 2015 of their 5 kW system demonstration.

There was an error working with the wiki: Code[7] for most recent developments.

Official: 10 dismantle witnesses wanted to sign-up (conditions apply)

The following is a Google translation of the May 5 entry on the blog.

: 05. May 2015

: Note for the dismantling of AuKW

: By Christoph Beiser AuKW

Image:150505 1555kW-h 500.jpg

: Together with ROSCH we make one-time offer. Be one of 10 local people in Spich, to witness the dismantling of the first series pattern AuKW live.

: Use the unique opportunity to help the project achieve a breakthrough. Together with the technicians of Rosch you accompany us the shutdown, the folding and the dismantling of our AuKW series pattern.

: Important notes:

: The event will be broadcast live on the Internet and also accompanied by a cameraman.

: In a short interview we would like to experience your process in a video on the live tour.

: Participation is designed especially for friends and supporters of the project.

: Registration for this interesting opportunity, we will unlock on the 08 May from 12:00 clock on Friday for the first 10 applicants.

: click here for event

The dismantling event takes place on Weds May 13, 15:00 to 5:00 p.m.

Inside control panel
Image:Livestream 10.18pm 05May2015.jpg

Stefan Hartmann's video There was an error working with the wiki: Code[8] goes into this quite a bit.

Today, Stuart Campbell wrote:

: ^^^^12.18pm Cologne time.

: First time we have got a good shot of the inside of that right hand cabinet on Livestream.

I can make out what looks like MCB's. Can't make out much else.

Sterling wrote: It looks like they have the measurement panel back up as well, with items plugged into it.

-- SilverThunder 15:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

In response, Stuart commented:

: Re your comment on the measurement panel (which broke down) now being back in position.

: I saw the presenter tweaking knobs for the crowd, so I know parts of it are operational again.

: Also when they arrived first thing in the morning (5 May, Cologne time 9-40am) I saw them handling newly arrived parts. I could see they were the same as some parts on the panel.

: They were placed on top of the right hand cabinet (still there).

: He lifted them up several times to show the onlookers.

: Looks like they are still there looking at the livestream this (my) morning (05 May 11.20pm Cologne time).

: I had thought that maybe they were going to install them. But are probably too busy.

-- SilverThunder 21:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

J.D.'s AuKW demo video

John from Directory:Global Breakthrough Energy Movement (BEM) attended the AuKW demo on May 1. He lives in The Netherlands.

The purpose of the video was to give people who are not able to personally attend the demo a virtual tour, taking you along for the ride.

If you don't understand German, you'll want to click ahead through the portions where J.D. records the presenter (in German). It gives some good camera angles so you can get a better feel for how big the room is and where things are situated in relation to one another.

(Not shown in the video:)

Because I had told Roberto that J.D. was coming, J.D. got some special treatment, being taken upstairs to the office area (per my request), and to the shop behind where the demo is taking place, where he saw some really cool stuff. (Ronny was also taken back there.) They both noted that there was nothing unusual about the wall behind where the AuKW tube is located. There's a machine shop and lab in that space, and they saw several engineers working on stuff. J.S. and Ronny acted as though they had signed an N.D.A. and needed to be careful about what they disclosed about what they saw, even though they said Roberto told them that those things could be made public (or had already been made public). I'll have to ask Roberto if they can be allowed to let me publish what they saw (they haven't told me yet). Whatever it was seems to have contributed to both of them walking away from the demonstration very convinced that what is being portrayed is real, not faked in any way. This three-way conversation, by the way, was not part of the recording we There was an error working with the wiki: Code[9] the other day, which included Stefan Hartmann. We had this conversation afterward.


Rosch thrust kinetic power plant (KPP) demo / GAIA (AuKW) Auftriebskraftwerk Vorfürung (Full video) (YouTube May 3, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 15:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Livestream Camera powered by mains
Image:150429 outage-lighting 200.jpg

Here is a piece of information that is very obvious, once pointed out, that should permanently silence those still debating about the other day when the AuKW had an outage that they thought coincided with the mains power outage -- a "smoking gun" as they interpreted it that the AuKW entails some kind of hidden wire to mains power.

Another problem with that supposition is that the livestream camera is powered by mains power. If what they are saying is true, then the feed would have gone dead, and they would not have seen what they did on the livestream. Duh.

This came up because I sent an email to Roberto saying:

: Stuart (our forum moderator), had a good suggestion.

: You could plug in (via extension cord?) a lamp to the mains power, which could be seen by the livestream camera, that would be a "control" to show visibly that the mains power is on, at any given time. I would suggest situating it over by the T.V., and affixing a label to it: "Mains" also in German.

: "It would at least foil off those who are constantly saying every time the AuKW crashes, its the building power going down."

Here is his response:

: From: "Verein GAIA | Roberto Reuter"

: To: "Sterling Allan"

: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:27 AM

: Subject: Re: simple suggestion: lamp plugged to mains as indicator

: Sterling, hi,

: The camera is driven by outside power.

: So [if/when] we have an off time [for the AuKW], the camera still will deliver a stream normally.

: with best Regards from Roberto

-- SilverThunder 14:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Official: May 3: AuKW Comparison to PV

The following was posted on the blog:

Image:150503 1222-kW-h 400.jpg

: Today on the rest day of sightseeing, we received a message from Upper Austria from a photovoltaic owners and GAIA member that we publish at his suggestion.

: In Upper Austria was "good current weather". Between 21.4. and 30.04.2015, there was an analysis in which he considers the 5 kW AuKW compared to the purchase of about the same price for 5 kW peak photovoltaic system in Austria over the same period. In Analyszeitraum prevailed at 7 10 days excellent PV ratios, resulting in an overall well above average yield.

: 5 kW AuKW

: 1139 kWh / 10 days / 24 hours = 4,75 kW continuous power

: 5 kW peak photovoltaic system:

: With significantly above-average earnings in those 10 days of 21.4 kWh / 24h day (annual average / 24h day in good 2014 = 12.7 kWh):

: 214 kWh / 10 days, ie yield of the PV system = 18.8% of AuKW investment in the same period !!!

: The on projected year assuming 350 days term of AuKW shows thus, the yield of the PV system is only just under 12% of AuKW conditioning. We find that impressive. You too?

: PS: We photographed the count in the cover picture on the morning at 2:05 [Cologne].

-- SilverThunder 13:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

How would a KPP fare in an earthquake?
Image:Rosch KPP technical-specs 700.gif

As I was having my chat with Stuart Campbell, below, he wrote at 2:48 GMT:

: We just had an earthquake here. [near Dunedin, New Zealand]

: 6 on the Richter Scale (which is a severe one) centered 80kms from where I live and 5kms underground. Happened 20 minutes ago.

: Nothing fell over though and our buildings are build for earthquakes.

: Was quite a shake though.

: But I'm well experienced on earthquakes after Christchurch where some of my family lives. You would get a dozen or 18 in a day.

: Often in Christchurch they would jump up and down instead of rocking like this one did.

: We have an earthquake web site. They report within seconds almost


: Wanaka is 50Km from where I live.

: The 2nd quake there, the moderate one, I didn't even feel.

: 'Makes you think about what the Gaia AuKW would be like in a shake like that?'

: More so, the 20Kw one... ??

We then tossed around a few ideas about earthquake contingencies for the KPP systems, including:

They should design the system so the onrush of escaping water would escape laterally beneath the generator, not around the generator on its way out. (Generators, especially live, and water are not a good combination.)

The environment around the KPP should be able to sustain an onrush of a large volume of water, in locations that are earthquake prone.

In quake-prone areas, the systems should be installed largely underground. The utility-scale plant designs by Rosch have their tubes below ground level.

With such contingencies, it is conceivable that the KPP would keep on running, even during and after a quake -- when you are most grateful to have power. You would need to top off the water level so it is back to optimal, but the system would continue to operate.

-- SilverThunder 03:35, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Another AuKW Outage?

Regarding the image just below.

: From: Sterling Allan

: To: Roberto Reuter

: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:40 PM [mountain]

: Subject: AuKW outage earlier today?

: Hi Roberto,

: Stuart pointed out to me that in the photo I posted at

: dated May 3 14:30 GMT (16:30 Cologne), the AuKW loads don't seem to be on. The TV is black, and there is no reflection of light on the walls or on the Plexiglas floats holding the control panel.

: Did you guys have an outage today?

: Sterling

(It appears to be working properly now.)

-- SilverThunder 21:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

- - - -

At 2:04 GMT, May 4, Stuart noted:

: I just looked at the livestream

: No sign of the gas lamps flickering

: No sign of the green panel lights flashing on and off

: No sign of the TV going

I looked at 2:40 GMT, and confirmed seeing the same thing.

At 2:48, he added:

: Just like the other night when the guy bumped the camera, the picture froze as at that moment.

I received this reply:

: From: Verein GAIA | Roberto Reuter

: To: Sterling Allan

: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:25 AM [Mountain]

: Subject: Re: AuKW outage earlier today?

: Sterling, Hi

: That's right, yes.

: We posted saturday night on our homepage, that Sunday at a certain time we will be a off shortly, caused by a software update.

: With best Regards from Roberto

-- SilverThunder 14:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Older, 1.5-M diameter tube now upright hoping to get it going: 20 kW
Image:150503 1.5-M-light 550.jpg

Stuart brought to my attention that now the livestream view is showing the older, 1.5-M diameter tube that arrived a couple of days ago, now standing upright in front of livestream.

I sent the following query to Roberto, CEO.

: I see that you've got that other huge system standing upright, in front of the Livestream camera. I noticed from photos of it lying down that it had a small window at the base of it. I'm curious if there are any plans to actually fire it up, or if it will just be on display like the Plexiglas 2 M system.

-- SilverThunder 22:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

- - - -

At GMT 23:30, Roberto responded:

: There are plans to put it into function indeed… We will see.. and I let you know..

: The 5 kw model looks quite small beside that tube...

I asked: "I imagine you'll strap it to the wall, too? Will you try to do that prior to May 6 last day of AuKW demo?"

Roberto responded: "Yes"

I think the "yes" was primarily in response to the latter question, but the former is quite obvious. For safety reasons they would have to fasten it to the wall. ~60 tons at 11 meters tall, with rotating components inside and a generator and compressor up top.

J.D. had been told that this unit was back from the field where it had run for 6 months producing 15-20 kW.

I asked him: "Will that be 100 kW or more like 20-30 kW?"

He responded:

: More like 20 kW, Sterling..

: Many visitors could see the process while a massive mobile truck - crane was lifting the plant

: Good night now. hear you Monday..

-- SilverThunder 23:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Buoyancy patents compilation

Stefan S sent this to me to post. It has nearly 70 patents listed from a search/compilation he did. I didn't scrutinize if any of them have actually been awarded. Most of them are probably just applications for a patent. Rosch, by name, is not among them.

Download (219 kW docx)

-- SilverThunder 20:38, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Postings by and - more in-depth (English)

-- SilverThunder 20:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hartmann's photo tour
Image:AuKW top close-up 400.jpg

Stefan Hartmann of made a new video from many of the pictures that have been taken at the AuKW demo, giving his explanation of what is being shown, and interjects where he thinks some "tampering" might have happened.

I found it helpful, notwithstanding the skeptical stance he has taken. He wasn't obnoxious about it like he was yesterday in our 4-way conversation with myself, Ronny, and J.D.

One of the main things I had overlooked, that he pointed out, was that the control boxes are resting on four Plexiglas floats that will be used in the 100 kW demonstrator. I also liked some of the close-ups he did on some of the higher-resolution photos, such as the one shown at the right by J.D.


Gaia Rosch Facility Tour Slideshow - Gaia 5 KW AuKW explanation tour - In this Slideshow I show the latest pictures taken by all the visitors that have posted pictures so far from their visit at the Rosch facility in Spich to see the Rosch-Gaia 5 KWatts buoyancy kinetic power plant. I am explaining in narration all the different things what you can see. Hope this helps to clear it all up a little bit further... (YouTube May 2, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 19:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC) [with updates]

Livestream out for a bit

Skype times are Mountain [GMT-6]

: [5:15:22 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^At 12.25pm Cologne time, they rolled in the item on the left.

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[1]

: [Click on image for enlarged view.]

: Looked like a heavy I shaped girder with a hydraulic leg on. The guy bumped the video camera and this was the very last photo as the live link was broken.

: Unfortunately Skype has cut both sides off the picture so you cannot see the new introduced item on the left very very well.

: What it is, I have absolutely no idea.

: As at 1.15pm Cologne time, the camera came back on the air.

: [5:17:28 AM] Stuart Campbell: No sign of this new piece of equipment in the resumed picture, so presumably had nothing to do with GAK itself.

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[2]

: [5:26:40 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^At 1.22pm Cologne time we have what looks like 2 fat ladies in front of the camera.

: BUT its not. Just the presenter. They have moved the camera too close and are stuffing the whole view.

-- SilverThunder 14:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion for when they take AuKW demo down

I sent the following:

: Hi Roberto,

: There seems to be a consensus that it would be a great idea for you to keep your livestream running while you take the AuKW down after May 6, so people can see that there is nothing coming in from the wall or the floor.

: Also, it would be good to have someone from GAIA filming that and taking photos to post to your blog.

: Sterling

-- SilverThunder 06:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

- - - -

Poll (click to take)

: Do you think GAIA should keep livestream running during disassembly?

: - Definitely

: - Maybe

: - No

: - Abstain

-- SilverThunder 06:18, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Pending live interview with J.D. from Global BEM
Image:DSCN1278 400.jpg

In 3.5 hours from now, at 23:00 GMT (the demo is at +2 GMT Mountain time would be 5 pm), I'm going to be doing a recorded interview with John D. from the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement. [Doing call via Skype. Since no one called in via phone, we disconnected that, since it was playing hold music.]

To join in by telephone conference call (there is a free phone-in number for most English speaking countries), go here. Or if you are hooked up with me on Skype, I can pull you in that way. Just let me know. The purpose of letting you in the call is for asking questions. Please wait until the end of the interview to do that.

John attended the demo today, and has a lot to talk about. He shot a 1.5-hour video of the tour, as a virtual experience for those who are not able to attend. He is uploading a raw version for my viewing, but wants to do some audio touch-up for public, later.

Here's a zip file link (23 Mb) of the photos he took.

Here are some of the comments he made by Skype:

: It's real as real can be.

: The most important thing was, they got nothing to hide, welcome anytime. Even on taking the thing apart.

: There is nothing on the other side of the wall.

-- SilverThunder 19:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

- - - -


The call was a four-way, with myself, J.D., Ronny Korsberg, and Stefan Hartmann. Quite controversial. Stefan kind of dominated the conversation with his skepticism.

Stefan posted a recording of the interview at YouTube:


Gaia 5 KW AuKW Rosch KPP - Conference Allan-J.D.-Korsberg-Hartmann - Auftriebskraftwerk


: Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo

: Interview from Sterling Allan from with J.D. from GlobalBEM, Ronny Korsberg and Stefan Hartmann about the Gaia-Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk Kinetic Power Plant in Spich Germany demonstrating about 5 KWatts of output power. Is it for real or is it a big fake ? That is the big question. In this interview we show the possible explanation how so much power could be delivered by such a device, where all physics formula predict it just can not work this way it is claimed to work...

: But listen in for yourself. The Video background is compiled from some earlier videos and just shows the power plant there in some pictures people have taken in the hall at Spich and from the Livestream Gaia has broadcasted on Youtube. (YouTube May 3, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 00:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hartmann May 1 video

Stefan Hartmann of and, who has been very skeptical of this system, has posted a video giving his explanation of the set-up.


(YouTube May 1, 2015)


: Gaia Rosch AuKW KPP Visitor Tour with Christoph Beiser - more explanations

: [English]

: Here is a video I screen captured and commented from the current visitor tour at the Rosch Spich facility. Mr. Christoph Beiser is the tourguide and explains the Gaia AuKW KPP Power Plant in front of the crowd, that must stand behind the chain. Too bad we have no sound with the LiveStream but anyway I try to comment it all and also speak about the power outages that have taken place and all the other things going on.

: First part in English language, second part til the end in German language...

: Hallo Leute, hier habe ich mal eine Live Vorführung von Herrn Beiser in Spich von dem LiveStream abgefilmt und versucht dabei zu erklären, was da vor sich geht und auch erklärt, was es mit den 3 Stromausfällen auf sich hatte und einfach die letzten Infos aus dem letzten Tagen aus den Foren zusammengefasst.

: So bekommt Ihr schnell eine Zusammenfassung, was in den letzten Tagen hier so abgegangen ist...

: Bitte gebt mal einen Daumen nach oben, wenn es Euch gefällt.

: Vielen Dank.

: Gruss, Stefan.

-- SilverThunder 19:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Official: May 1

Here's the latest from the blog: May 1:

They're up to 1139 kW-h cumulative since starting the device April 18.

Image:150501-1139kw-h Zaehlerstand-gaia-rosch-aukw-752x211 500.jpg

: May 1

: That was our Labor Day:

: Felt 1000 photo flashes, nearly 80 visitors, 6 good performances, a short failure and a quick return to service made our day memorable today. We even had a royal guest ...

-- SilverThunder 18:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

100 kW internals

Image source:

Image:150501 2d937e AukW gro1.jpg

-- SilverThunder 18:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

- - - -

May 2 0:45 GMT update

According to J.D., he was told that system was out in the field operating 15-20 kW for 6 months.

AuKW 2nd Outage

While it was nighttime here in the U.S., Stuart Campbell from New Zealand wrote:

(Times are Mountain [GMT-6])

: [2:37:24 AM] Stuart Campbell: The Livestream is up and running again at at 10.35am Cologne time.

: [2:52:28 AM] Stuart Campbell: In the new livestream I just noticed. A whole tech panel has gone missing.

: [3:00:02 AM] Stuart Campbell: There has been a few other minor changes as well.

: Clearly they have moved to have everything on the floor, like cables plugs etc and all are able to be seen.

: Probably to make it more observable that no external power to the unit.

: [3:01:20 AM] Stuart Campbell: The new Server is also working much better. No stopping or buffering going on.

: [3:06:25 AM] Stuart Campbell: The man with the glasses has just arrived back with the missing panel. Maybe it was pulled out for servicing ?

: Its just sitting there not yet re-installed.

: [3:06:43 AM] Stuart Campbell: This is at 11.02am Cologne time

: [4:02:50 AM | Edited 4:03:42 AM] Stuart Campbell: Matt says he saw it blacked out with red light flashing.

: Since I missed that part I am wondering if when he pulled that panel out, he had to shut down it all down in order to do that.

: [5:13:42 AM | Edited 5:28:35 AM] Stuart Campbell: Just after 1pm Cologne time

: exact moment not known

: GAK crashed.

: At 1.10pm Roberto and team going through everything to see what the cause is.

: I am watching them now. Will take pic

: [5:29:19 AM] Stuart Campbell: More people coming and going to find cause at 1.27pm

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[3]

: [click on images for enlarged view]

: [5:38:02 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^ 1.34pm Cologne Time. GAK out of action.

: The men all disappeared after looking at something. They have not been near it for 10 mins or so.

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[4]

: [5:44:31 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^ 1.20pm men checking but shortly after this they all disappeared

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[5]

: [6:01:09 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^1.56pm Cologne time, back in action.

: [6:04:24 AM] Stuart Campbell: I have suspicion that video was suspended during fixing. One minute there was nothing happening, next I look and its going again. Some things moved and I never saw them moved. I don't believe I would have missed that !

: There was an error working with the wiki: Code[6]

: [6:07:00 AM] Stuart Campbell: ^^^^ At 2.03pm Cologne time, demo resumes

: [6:08:48 AM | Edited 6:16:42 AM] Stuart Campbell: There has been no attempt to replace the cabinet that was taken out. You can just see the top of it... at bottom left not far from the rope.

: For some time the door on this cabinet was ajar and some looked inside. But then not long ago he locked it.

-- SilverThunder 13:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Livestream down 2nd 3rd time

As of about 6 hours ago = ~20:30 GMT, April 30 according to one of the comments below, the livestream has gone down again.

Given how tricky those things are to maintain, I'm actually quite impressed with how much uptime we've had. I've been doing other things, so I didn't notice, to inform Roberto. Now it's way past bedtime there.

Here's a screenshot from

Image:150501 2gmt livestream-down 500.jpg

May 1, 19:00 GMT update

Stefan Hartmann of corrects me that this was the third outage of the livestream. Following post.

Also, at was the comment: "At noon today, the speed sensor is on top of the generator mechanically overheated"

-- SilverThunder 02:30, 1 May 2015 (UTC) [with updates]

Official: First Megawatt-hour Exceeded

Here's an English translation (by Google) of the most recent blog posting.

(Note: Even though they've been doing the demo for 5 days, the unit has been running continuously [minus that ~2-hour outage a couple of days ago] since Saturday, April 18.)

: April 30, 2015

: Live Scores AuKW sightseeing-mid-term review

: One megawatt .. The system is stable.

: From club GAIA AuKW

Image:150430 1-MW-h achieved 500.jpg

: Today on the 5th day of [the demonstration] in Spich we want to warmly thank you.

: THE FIRST megawatt[-hours] ... EXCEEDED. The constant repetition of arguments why it should not work, the truth can not stop ... our AuKW is stable and reliable!

: Thanks to all who support this project. Thank you to everyone who soon built his own AuKW and to anyone who still wants to give us his confidence. We also thank the sweet and bitter commentators - even you have to carry out this great technology and helped their development.

: We have a large community of energy pioneers and together we write great history. Without the numerous comments, expressions of opinion and critical questioning, we would not [have arrived] where we are - after the first megawatt own AuKW power.

: And we continue to grow daily.

Image:150430-aukw-gaia-rosch-kartenausschnitt 500.jpg

: [click on image for enlarged version]

: The map reflects only the German-speaking countries. It thus raises neither exhaustive nor are again exact address.

-- SilverThunder 02:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: April 25-30, Including Coverage on Outage - Official blog

See also


Directory:Thrust Kinetic Generator by Rosch Innovations AG - focusing on utility-scale

Blog:Rosch's 15 kW and 100 kW Demo

Event:2015:June: Rosch 15 kW and 100 kW Demo Measurement

Directory:Gaia-Energy -- Global Association for Independent Energy & Altruism - licensee to produce 5 kW home power system

Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo - 5 kW production prototype demonstrated running continuously from April 25 - May 6, 2015

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 13 Disassembly Day

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 6(+) Measurement Day

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 1-5, Surpassed 1 MW-h

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: April 25-30, Including Coverage on Outage

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: Prior to April 25 Demo Launch

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