User talk:John Q. Public

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Updating home

Hi John,

When you update the "latest" section on the home page, delete out the oldest item, so that there are generally only three listings there.

Thanks for your contribs. -- SilverThunder 11:28, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

Relocated content

When you get a minute, would you mind finding a better home for these two pages that have been added (with extensive content in their description)?

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SilverThunder 02:40, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)


Hi "John". I want you to know that we are very glad to see the content contributions you are making to this site. They are great.

I've made you into a sysop so you can also modify certain pages that are otherwise protected, such as the home page.

I would like to encourage you to link to new pages you create from the Latest page as well as the Main Page "Latest" section.

Keep up the great work. -- Sterling (SilverThunder 21:55, 1 Nov 2005 (EST))

Fuel Efficiency directory

How about a section covering fuel efficiency "systems"? Some I know of...

In your additions to the Butanol page did you ever run across any articles mentioning how to obtain/culture the specific clostridium bacterial strains used in Butanol production? I am currently trying to set up a home butanol production experiment. Grundle 19:04, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

:Thanks for the additional information on Butanol. It has been more than helpful in my research! Grundle 12:55, 31 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Hi John,

You've been doing great work populating the Directory:Fuel Efficiency page, among others.

Just wanted you to know how much we appreciate what you are doing.

-- SilverThunder 14:46, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Nice to have you back. You will see that Tim Harward has been doing a lot on the Fuel Efficiency page. He's created a bunch of sub-pages from the main page. What we need to do now is to create a good summary paragraph for each link, capturing the essence of each page, including a highlight of the best technology from each. This might take a while, but is a worth while objective. You do good work.

SilverThunder 10:49, 21 Mar 2006 (EST)

You're doing great work on the Fuel Effiency pages, among others. I would like to feature Butanol at I would like to see it turned into a page of its own, with sub-sections, and then linking to it from the parent page.

-- SilverThunder 01:59, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

The general principle is that as a page gets large, it can be branched into sub-pages, with links from the original, parent page, and any other relevante page.

I agree that the Butanol page should be a stand-alone in its name: Directory:Butanol though we will want to link it back to the fuel efficiency indexes, of course.

I think we already have an Electric Vehicles page. Should merge with contents on the fuel efficiency page. If there is enough content, yet, let's do a separate page for plug-ins and for hybrids. We should specify what kind of hybrid, too, as there are a lot of "hybrid" mixtures out and about. e.g. Directory:Hybrid Electric ICE, or spell out ICE.

As we create these stand alone pages, I would like to link to them from the alphabetical listing in the left column.

-- SilverThunder 02:21, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

I've added the links to the page and will be featuring the link in tomorrow's news. You're doing some great work on the directories.

In pulling together a listing of directories on which you have contributed significantly, I wondered if some of those are not yet included in the main Fuel Efficiency directory. They should be.

Also, it seems the Fuel Efficiency "Technology" page should be eliminated and its contents moved to other more specific locations. "Technology" is too general of a title. Everything on our site is about technology.

-- SilverThunder 00:56, 2 Jun 2006 (EDT)


Hi John,

On those pages where you have done a lot of work, I would like to recommend that you add a link on the page under "contact" just before "See also" as to how people can get a hold of you for questions or comments on the page.

Thanks again.

-- SilverThunder 22:07, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

Energy Suppression

Hi John,

Would you mind helping out with typesetting on this new page: PowerPedia:Energy Supression ?

That would be greatly appreciated. I would like to feature this page in the left-hand navigation column.

-- SilverThunder 15:30, 4 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I see you've been reorganizing the fuel efficiency pages. It's looking good. Nice job.

Regarding the energy suppression page, let's holt off until we get a revision from Gary Vesperman. He's working on his document, rather than via the PESWiki page, and is cleaning it up. We don't want to worry about version conflicts, so let's wait until he resubmits the updated text. Then we can add the headings and clean things up a little.

-- SilverThunder 20:20, 5 Jun 2006 (EDT)


With all you are doing for this site, I think it's ironic that I don't even know you name or have your private email address. I would like to be able to communite with you that way as well, if you wouldn't mind. -- SilverThunder 02:53, 9 Jun 2006 (EDT) (sterlingda {at}

Hydrogen Links

Here is an email I received today (June 22, 2006) from Congress:Member:Tai Robinson in response to my question about any recommendations he might have about the Hydrogen directory at

Perhaps we could integrate these at PESWiki

As for NEWS:

It is happening so fast it would be hard to stay current on that unless that was your only job. A daily google alert for hydrogen brings up a lot of stuff. Fuel Cell Works puts out a pretty good newsletter very frequently on the top news.. Fuel Cell Magazine is also OK. EVWorld is a good, up to date resource.


You did name a big one there. Arno Evers has now sold his stake in that show and someone new will take it over at the Hanover Fair. A big one that is just finishing up is WHEC 16, the World Hydrogen Energy Conference in Lyon, France. Would have liked to been there! 2 upcoming events, both of which I have been invited to present papers at and need to find $ to get there and do my job are: H2 Expo in Germany this October and Renewable Energy 2006 in Japan, also in October. Although I do not have a great regard for them as they do not care for you unless you are paying them money, The National Hydrogen Association has announced there next annual conference in San Antonio next Spring. NHA has a good list of there member companies, but there are many more that do not belong to the NHA. Some of the best companies do not belong to NHA.


there are a bunch... The first ones I thought of that are missing from the list are: Proton, Hydrogenics, General Hydrogen, Praxair Air Products BOC Ballard Avalance HyRadix Plug Power there is a bunch of bull shit coming from Shell and Chevron as well as BP, Back to Petroleum.


I would suggest Magna-Styre for liquid storage, I believe they make BMW's tanks, although BMW will not say who makes them ECD Ovonics and Stanford Ovshinsky for Metal Hydride, solid storage, (he also invented the NiMh battery) they were responsible for the research and development project with Quantum that made the hydrogen Prius, which Quantum has now taken as there own and delivered 30 or so to the SCAQMD in California and has orders for more in Europe, Chevron is also part of ECD Ovonics and provided $ maybe also Japan SteelWorks for solid storage For compressed storage there are a bunch: Dynetek, Lincoln Composites, SCI, Lunsford. High pressure storage is very important to get a reputable company for their quality products. Unknown companies also arise, but without testing there products are very dangerous, and will most likely blow up! For "other" storage, such as chemical bonds there are a few companies like Millennium Cell which make an awful product Another awful company is PowerBall Also hideous is HPI, I provided a quote to them to build an H2 powered vehicle to display and demonstrate there Hydrogen Now! technology, (Hydrogen Now! is an organization in Fort Collins, Colorado and another org in Santa Monica, but that did not stop them from taking the name). After much feet dragging and consulting they had not decided to have us build them a vehicle, nor did they pay me for consulting. Now they have announced there own hydrogen powered Ford Ranger project to eventually display there now re-named H2Go technology. So, they took my knowledge, did not pay and are now taking my H2Go name as well!!!!! They make H2 from aluminum, as do other companies.

Sterling's comment:

Perhaps an expose of their treatment of Tai would be appropriate. That's one of the roles of PESWiki -- to not let inventors get away with bad treatment of other inventors. Expose it. At the same time, everyone does dumb stuff, and we don't want to get petty. Just major stuff.

p.s. I finally got your email, and have responded. -- SilverThunder 01:20, 23 Jun 2006 (EDT)


Brief response to your H question posted on talk page -- SilverThunder 17:12, 5 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Re: Directory

comment posted at User talk:SilverThunder SilverThunder 21:20, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

comment posted at User talk:SilverThunder -- SilverThunder 11:22, 14 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Other user issues

User:Skodati has been posting links to a bunch of our pages. See contrib history for Skodati. It seems kind of spammy. I've put a 24-hour block on him and asked him/her to contact me by phone to talk about this.

Would you mind taking a spot check of some of his/her contribs to see if you agree that they tend to link to marginally relevant topics, and the pages the link to often seem high on ads and low on good content.

Should we encourage him to clean up, or tell him to go away? It may be salvageable, and we could have an ally.

Your thoughts?

SilverThunder 08:36, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I think banning him for 24 hours actually prevented him from accessing the site at all, so I'm not sure if he saw my message to him. It may be a few days before he sees it and responds. SilverThunder 21:21, 27 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Sterling's response posted at User talk:SilverThunder. SilverThunder 09:15, 28 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Main Page/temp

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Phase Change

Nice job. I have something I'd like to add to that page in the next few minutes. So to avoid save conflict, you might wait until I insert it. I'll let you know here once I've got it done. Estimate: 10 minutes from now. (around 7:50 am MST) SilverThunder 09:38, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Okay. I've got it saved. Some of the text in the right-column frame should probably be integrated into the regular description text, so that column isn't so long.

(David Allan is my dad.) -- SilverThunder 10:01, 25 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Ocean / Sea Wave

Response posted at User talk:SilverThunder -- SilverThunder 00:54, 26 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Main Page PESWiki listings

Hi "John",

I've removed the link to the following, which you listed under July 27, 2006 on the home page and the "latest page."

Directory:Wind - Some new designs claim to exceed the Betz law theoretical maximum 59% efficiency.

This is indeed a great development, however, the only things we list under "PESWiki latest" are new feature pages. I would encourage you to create a feature page, and link to that.


-- Sterling !!!!

Misc. from Sterling

FYI, Please see Help:File Naming Guidelines conventions for capitalization in file names. Thanks. Sterling. SilverThunder 10:48, 2 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Meeting Room

I've added a new page for coordinating PESWiki administration. Please bookmark: PESWiki:Meeting Room. Thanks SilverThunder 13:55, 11 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Take a peek at the new listing of pages to build at PESWiki:Meeting Room. Keep up the great work. SilverThunder 09:46, 18 Aug 2006 (EDT)


Would you mind keeping an eye on that I just posted. Perhaps you could contribute some content, links, and formatting. I'm heading out for the evening. Thanks. SilverThunder 20:41, 14 Aug 2006 (EDT)

News Bullets

You do a lot of posting of bullet items to the various directories. When you have an item that is really hot, and you think I might want to consider posting it at, could you please post it at News, while you're at it (simple copy and paste)? You do good work, and I would like to be able to see more of that appear in the main news.

On another subject, after you asked this evening about the down-draft energy tower, the inventor(?) posted a couple of pages at PESWiki:

Directory:Heat Pump Down Draft Energy Tower

Directory:Heat Pump Down Draft Solar Tower

I got an email from him yesterday, too. Feel free to help develop those pages. I'm not sure why there are two names for these pages. It seems they should be combined. He linked to them from Solar, where he used yet another name, with two duplicate descriptions. Let's streamline that. Thanks. SilverThunder 00:41, 29 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Response posted at User talk:SilverThunder -- SilverThunder 17:49, 1 Sep 2006 (EDT)

Let's do a day-by-day date format in the news like you had it set up the other day. -- SilverThunder 23:59, 6 Sep 2006 (EDT)

I really like the "news" bullets you're posting. Most every one is along the lines of what I like to cover at This could become a preferred destination on the web for energy researchers if you keep it up. -- SilverThunder 11:42, 15 Sep 2006 (EDT)

: I keep thinking I will run out of new material, and then I find some more. Eventually it will slow down, and then I will start on those pages in the meeting room. In the mean time I am enjoying the bullet format. --John Q. Public 21:08, 18 Oct 2006 (EDT)

Nice job on the bullets. One little thing on formatting: let's only bold the title, not links within the description. Thanks SilverThunder 23:33, 5 Oct 2006 (EDT)

You're doing a fantastic job with the news bullets, with links to the relevant directory pages, where the bullets are also posted. Your selection of content is very much in harmony with our mission of highlighting the cutting-edge energy technology companies and developments.

I've posted a couple of prominent links to the PESWiki news page at the top of I picture myself migrating to point to the PESWiki News page not too long from now. I would kind of like to see the directory content at migrated over to PESWiki first, though.

At some point, I would like to have a phone conversation with you about the possibility of you receiving the "submit" items that come to me through the sites. We could do it via a private mailing list where if one of us is going to do something with an item, we can inform the other, so we don't duplicate effort. Presently there are some good items falling through the cracks because I don't have time to get to them all.

Keep up the great work. -- SilverThunder 00:40, 15 Dec 2006 (EST)

Feel free to modify the news bullets placed in the News page by other, including myself, so that they conform to our conventions: brevity, format, directory link, source, date, etc. Noah Seidman will be posting more, and this (news bullet formatting) doesn't come as naturally for him as it does for you. He appreciates constructive advice.

BTW, you are correct to leave of the source/date info when the link goes directly to a company/product website.

Thanks. -- SilverThunder 12:52, 16 Jan 2007 (EST)

News Bullet Hierarchy

As you post news bullets in a given day, I would like to suggest that you rank them within a day from most "cutting-edge/clean/affordable/reliable" to least. I like pulling from your news bullets to include in, and it would make my task a little easier if you gave your best judgement as to what was most deserving of attention.

I've added a link to the PESWiki news from the right-hand navigation column at the top right of, as well as giving it front and center attention at the top of the page. I also added a link to the news from PESWiki's home page. -- SilverThunder 02:24, 26 Oct 2006 (EDT)

Electric Vehicles sub-page

The EV page is getting quite large.

We might want to split it out.

Directory:Electric Vehicles

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Keep up the great work! -- SilverThunder 00:21, 17 Oct 2006 (EDT)

: I was thinking of combining electric bikes, scooters and motorcycles on the scooter page, since there is some overlap between those categories. There is already a page for Directory:Electric Scooters. Did you want it to be renamed to There was an error working with the wiki: Code[7] to be consistant with the other pages? --John Q. Public 23:20, 19 Oct 2006 (EDT)

Wave power recommendation


With all you are doing in looking into various wave and tidal power systems, would you mind making a recommendation to me as to the most promising ones. I'm wanting to line up someone for a wave power interview for We have an opening for tomorrow's spot that I'm working on filling.


SilverThunder 17:00, 10 Nov 2006 (EST)


response posted on my talk page -- SilverThunder 23:46, 17 Jan 2007 (EST)

Ocean Wave

It looks like Directory:Ocean Wave Energy is very close to covering all the content at Not much left to be able to redirect that page to PESWiki. -- SilverThunder 11:52, 4 Feb 2007 (EST)


Welcome back! -- SilverThunder 22:04, 9 Apr 2007 (EDT)

Magnet v. Electromagnetic Motors


I notice you've classified a couple of systems recently as "Magnet Motors" which I would have classfied as "Electromagnetic." If there is electrical input of any kind, required for maintained motion, then I call it an "Electromagnetic Motor". If the motor runs on magnet power only, then I call it a "Magnet Motor".

Thanks for your great work.

-- SilverThunder 01:08, 19 Jun 2007 (EDT)

Air Car

Nice job on Directory:MDI Air Car. Thanks. -- SilverThunder 01:37, 1 Nov 2007 (EDT)

News Bullet Format guidelines page updated


I've updated News:format. Note that now that there are three of us posting bullets, I would like to have an easy way to identify who posted what. Would you mind adding (Thanks JQP) at the end of the bullets you post?

Thanks -- SilverThunder 13:51, 2 Mar 2008 (EST)

News Hopper

Hey, it's great to see you back and posting good bullets.

You may have noticed that hompe page now redirects to the PESWiki news page.

Our insider hopper page, fyi, is News:hopper. Feel free to post there, rather than to the inbox page.

The home page is also a little different. I'm going to be redirecting home page to go there any hour/day now.

-- SilverThunder 01:32, 29 May 2008 (EDT)


Hi, its a pleasure to be involved with you in the PES Networks. The shear quantity of technological information that you find is amazing. You are always adding new projects, products, and research operations to the news! There always something new to look forward to on the PES Networks, and you contribute a large portion to this.

Best Regards,

Nseidm1 15:10, 28 Dec 2006 (EST)

Hydrogen Systems

Yep, they are labor intensive, like putting fuel in a tank (NOT!). The hydrogen generators don't take much attention until they are low on water. At 10-15 ounces every 2000 to 3000 miles it isn't a big deal. I'm fussing over the unit because I'm testing the heck out of it. ^) As far as Pulstar plugs, I would have to be running a non-diesel rig to use those and my wife won't let me mess with her vehicle, nor will my daughter, who owns a car and still lives with us, so I'm up a creek unless the pain threshold becomes high enough they will let me help them. (RLP)