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SEG generator capable of cheaply and safely producing electricity without fuel, pollution, friction, or noise. Anti-gravity effects also involved.

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Dr. Terry Moore

Dr. Terry Moore is the person involved in posting the two (as of feb23th07), four (as of mar04th07), six (as of mar26th07), eight (as of apr18th07), 10 (as of apr22th07) videos regards Searl SEG Mockups/developments. He has been very helpful. Here are excerpts of his answers, and postings on YouTube comments. Post your useful questions to the YouTube comment threads of the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM_s0dXRk48 23.02.2007 - One roller mock up of the SEG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yID01RjBzDE 23.02.2007 - Twelve roller mock up of the SEG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKHHfuSyyz0 04.03.2007 - Expert independent verification and discussion Clip 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qg5zCpJefo 04.03.2007 - Expert independent verification & discussion Clip 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qvSNkiB9M 26.03.2007 - SEG voltage controlled demonstration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnYUKBEPO8I 26.03.2007 - An investor watches the improved 'mock-up' running at 200rpm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-O7WNvKSvY 18.04.2007 - Searl and Newton part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6RSIeL6yh0 18.04.2007 - SEG Material progress update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46gRnzI2os0 21.04.2007 - Searl and Newton part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3N1epMG7A 22.04.2007 - SEG - The next step. April 2007

First claims by Dr. Terry Moore

The scientists do not beleive this technology because it is not in their textbooks and they have not been taught how it works so they discount it. (1)

If you want more proof you will have to wait. From the mail we are receiving from scientists, most people now understand how it works! (1)

Despite numerous approaches to the scientific community, no-one would accept the technology. The continous 360 degree movement of magnetic components apparently was contrary to the laws of science. Time to rewrite the science books! (1)

A series of additional videos are to be up loaded over the next few weeks. Follow the You Tube links to see more information.

In the SEG there is no external power source to maintain the rotation of each roller or the rotation of the rotating roller around the ring. To our knowledge, no other device has achieved continuous rotation of magnetic components as demonstrated. Additional videos are to be posted over the next weeks which will confirm this new science. (1)

There is no internal or external power source in the SEG. Please refer to the searl solution site for more technical information. (1)

This technology has only become possible because at last an investor understood the science. Toys will come later. The important work is to start producing the 15Kw generators to power homes, offices, cars, lorries, buses, boats etc. Smaller versions can then be produced to drive laptops, mobile phones etc.

It may be possible for magnets to power a motor. This is not the technology we are involved with here. Our work involves the clean, pollution free generation of electricity. Over the next few weeks, more technical information will be posted on our web site and sent to those registered to receive email updates.

Sorry, we are not into toys yet. The important work is to start producing the 15 Kw generators. If we attract more investors, we can progress the work much quicker!

Thanks to all those contacting us via You Tube Message service and through our email addresses. There are some very helpful observations and suggestions. We have a great team covering all areas of science. It is the lateral thinking and the brainstorming sessions which have produced the results. Too many scientists are blinkered by narrow thoughts! As time progresses new projects will rely on ideas from as many supporters as we can include in our discussions.

One important question which has been asked a number of times concerns the fact that in the demonstration, the rollers run on the surface of the ring. When the SEG is assembled, the rollers between each pair of rings hover between the complex magnetic fields they produce. Thus the SEG has no noise or contact wear.

The demonstration you see is a 'mock up' of the technology. Without the benefit of the second ring to stabilise the movement of the rollers, a small voltage is applied to prevent the rollers flying off. We needed to obtain data for the patent from this mock up. Once the next stage is completed we will be able to demonstrate rollers running and hovering freely between two rings with no contact, noise or friction.

To produce the first SEG requires a minimum of £500,000 for raw materials and equipment. Once the equipment is built, subsequent unit cost continue to fall (March 2nd, 2007)

We have had the demonstrations verified in the USA by seven people. They all went to see and verify our work last weekend. Full details will be sent to those registered to receive our newsletter. Timetable: different stages to be uploaded on You Tube during this year with final demonstration of the SEG between Dec 07 and Feb 08. (March 2nd,2007)

Wbeaty questions Dr. Terry Moore

WBeaty: Are they NIB magnets? I see black material, so perhaps they're ceramic?

Dr. Terry Moore: Each component comprises four layered materials. The magnetic component is an alloy containing a number of metals including a rare earth metal.

cchance: Dr. Moore, is your group going to keep the technology under lock and key beyond licensed companys and these videos or will you be releasign proof of concept plans to the world via pesn and other sites of the sort?

Dr. Terry Moore: Currently this new science is being documented and will then be submitted for peer review. Once the documentation is accepted by the scientific community it will be posted on our web site.

Wbeaty: Good luck with journal submissions. That's a steep barrier to cross. If no journal will touch it, consider JSE, Journal of Scientific Exploration, put out by the SSE group. They're run by professional scientists, but will publish alternative science which attracts sneers from all other journals.

Dr. Terry Moore: Thank you for your suggestion. Fortunately, with new science, the product speaks for itself so journal rejection will not stop production.

Wbeaty: The product speaks for itself... yes, exactly. You have to sell those devices. Essentially you have invented the wheel, but you only want to sell wagons. Why not sell wheels? Why not teach others to build their own? I think you underestimate the power of disbelief, and haven't yet found that these 50KW home "new energy" companies always fail. Others have tried and failed. To avoid the "Free Energy Curse," sell simple devices without delay.

Dr. Terry Moore: Our first priority is the make and market as many SEG units as possible. The planet is in a mess. Carbon Dioxide and other pollutant gases are now rising out of control and even worse, the world's forests, particularly in the Tropics, are being destroyed at an increasing rate. Powering homes, business properties, factories, cars, lorries, buses, and boats with the SEG has to be the priority. Toys will not save the planet and the tooling is very expensive.

Wbeaty: Several "magnet motor" companies posted videos on their own websites. Steorn has stuff here, no? They could all easily be hoaxes, as could your own videos. Only the physical device is convincing. And only convincing if in outsiders' direct possession, NOT just demonstrated by yourself. (Demos can be hoaxed, run by uWave beam power rectenna, etc.)

Dr. Terry Moore: I can understand your doubts. There have been so many claims but not one product on the market. If you follow the You Tube links to pesn you will find that independant verification is now in hand.

benjiferrero questions Dr. Terry Moore

benjiferrero: It's an electric motor as far as I can tell

Dr. Terry Moore: An electric motor with a big difference. The magnetic fields of the components cause the motion. There is no need for any external energy input. The movement of the rollers in the complex alternating magnetic fields provide a kind of 'electron ramjet' to create electron movement to generate the electricity.

nyagokain questions Dr. Terry Moore

nyagokain: Where does the energy come from? It can't violate the law of conservation of energy, so it has to convert it from some source...

Dr. Terry Moore: In a generator, effort is required to turn the shaft in order to create electron movement. In a motor, energy is consumed in order to turn the shaft. The interaction of this configuration of component with multilayered magnetic fields, cause the motion and generate the electron movement.

PES visit to Dr. Terry Moore

Pr1nceal1: Dr. Moore, I am wondering why you picked the guys from Pure Energy Systems instead of a more mainstream institution. I think people would take you claims much more seriously, if those guys were from a prestigious university.

Dr. Terry Moore: Universities still say this science is impossible as it is not in their text books. As we post more steps they will presumably take more interest. We had hoped the videos taken by Pure Energy Systems would be placed on their web site. Emails to us doubted they came, so we have only put these up to confirm their visit.

Ryandinan questions Dr. Terry Moore

these are from the youtube video comments.

Ryandinan: if there is no internal/external power source then it can't possibly run. Even if you are claiming that this device CREATES energy from nothing, there would have to be an "internal" power source providing that energy for use. Otherwise the SEG is useless...

Dr. Terry Moore: The movement is created by the interaction of the multiple layers of alternating magnetic fields imprinted onto the rings and rollers.

Ryandinan: Ok, and how do you alternate these magnetic fields without inputting energy from some source? How much energy does it take to alternate the fields, and is that energy greater than the energy produced by the moving rollers (COE would say yes, but hey, it could be wrong, right)? How are you measuring energy in vs. energy out? Heat production? Also, I'd like to hear your comments to my initial first two questions as well.

Dr. Terry Moore: Ryan. Thank you for your comments. We really understand how it must be difficult to understand the technology unless you have been involved with its development. The energy required to imprint multiple magnetic layers into the components is a cost. Just like all permanent magnets, there is an energy cost at the start, but once the components are have been prepared, the fields create the movement.

Alysdexia: CoE would say no, dumbass, as they should be equal.

Dr. Terry Moore: CoE should consider the implications of the installation of SEG's in the public, private and industrial sector as well as transportation. This will result in less climate change catastrophes and less reparatory costs will be required therefore less public funds are required and less taxes collected. This will return more disposable income to us all to purchase more environmentally friendly goods, employing more in manufacturing, distribution and the service industries.

Dr. Terry Moore: There is no internal or external power source attached to the SEG. The movement of the rollers is created by the interaction of the multiple interwoven magnetic fields which are impregnated into the rings and rollers.

Ryandinan: So you are saying that the magnetic fields alternate themselves? Does this constant interaction cause demagnetization of the core components?

Ryandinan: One more thing - If it is indeed these alternating magnetic fields that creates motion, then why did you say the following:

"It may be possible for magnets to power a motor. This is not the technology we are involved with here."

Surely, you have to have magnets, in order to create a magnetic field without the use of external power (an electromagnet for example)?

Dr. Terry Moore: There is a degradation of the magnetic field over a period of years. We estimate that apart from the fact that these units will probably have to be checked by competent electrical engineers every 2-5 years, they should last at least 50 years before requiring refurbishment. They are not perpetual motion machines.

Ryandinan: So if the magnetic fields do degrade over time, do you suspect that it is the magnets themselves that are the "source" of the energy, or merely a means to move energy from some other, more robust source? After all, if you are saying a 15KW generator can be made (to run over a period of 50 or so years), surely the magnets don't possess this much energy.

Dr. Terry Moore: Sadly, all permanent magnets degrade over a period of time. All the rotating magnets achieve is the flow of electrons through the device in a similar fashion to the movement of electrons in circuits.

Ryandinan: But, where do these electrons come from? What is their source?

Dr. Terry Moore: All atoms of all elements include a varying number of rings containing a variable number of electrons, depending on the element involved. Many elements have electrons on their outer rings which will jump across adjoining atoms. This creates the electron flow.

Ryandinan: So are you saying that TOTAL electron count is never changed just flowing from one atom to the next, like a conveyor belt? And, in so doing, the atomic structure of the element remains the same?

Dr. Terry Moore: That is right, that is also a very good way of describing what happens. Thank you.

Misc comments

gabydewilde: If you want to make it look good, drop something to show the direction of time flow, show us the room and the underneath of the device, hold the cam in your hand, it's very easy to edit a still shot. You can drive the device around and show it in different places. :-) To make sure it's not PK you can use sleeping pills. But the jokes aside, I would sure like to see more videos. Maybe add a link to the description next time? Good luck anyway.

Dr. Terry Moore:All good suggestions. The next videos will show these aspects, however, the really interesting shots will be the videos of the rollers running between the first two rings!

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Pr1nceAl1: DrTerryMoore, when do you think you will post the two ring demonstration? The use of current to keep the rollers in is very suspicious and the proof of concept would be much more convincing without it. Also, why are the videos so short? Can't you easily post more footage?

Dr. Terry Moore: Although funding is in place for the materials to complete the rebuild of the SEG, we have no funding to work on this project full time. The two ring demonstration is dependent on the arrival of the materials and the final engineering and magnetic imprinting. Once the materials arrive, we will be able to give a better idea of the time scale. In any event, with current finance, the completed SEG should be ready by the end of the year. With more finance this process could be speeded up!

Pr1nceAl1: I listened to Professor Searl's radio interview yesterday, I recall he mentioned that your lab has a lack of proper funding. Since posting these u tube videos have an investors come forward? It is a shame you can only work on this part time.

Dr. Terry Moore: Unfortunately, the interview was not long enough and as John has a hearing defect, and it was not a clear line, we did not get into more detail on the SEG. As you can imagine, we obtained a very good response to the interview and we are currently considering the content of that response.

chmasy:Can you please explain why they have not had a company public offering of shares to create capital?

You seam to have some very smart people working on the SEG, but yet you can't get funding to start a company. Hmmm

Dr. Terry Moore: Following the response we have had over the past week, we are considering a number of options. We are attempting to take the most ethical route. John has a strong desire to keep the unit cost of the SEG as low as possible. In the past, investors have all wanted to help, but just see £ and $ signs, not the benefits the SEG has for the planet.

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Clarky006: If you look at the way the economy is structured and the power base that already exists then it really isn't hard to see why devices like this do not recieve the attention and any main stream funding. We don't really understand magnetisim enough to be so critical about weither this is possible or not. The videos speak for themselves and they are fantastic, kudos to Dr Searle and everyone working on this.

Dr. Terry Moore: In reality, it will take 10-15 years for enough SEG units to be produced which will introduce all the jobs and infrastructure needed to cover the jobs and businesses which will close as a result. Having cleaner locally produced more efficient power will give people more disposable income to enable them to buy other more efficient and less polluting equipment, which in turn will employ more people. Thank you for your kind comments.

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alysdexia: The ring seems to be a magnetic tank that holds what the wires feed into it, which unloads into the roller. Why don't you meter the work rather than power?

Dr. Terry Moore: "The ring seems to be a magnetic tank" ... A very good way of describing the components. The impregnated overlay of magnetic fields which are alternating and layered horizontally, vertically and diagonally, provide a "tank" of magnetic potential.

alysdexia: If that is so, where is the FE?

Dr. Terry Moore: The rollers and the ring have a complex overlay of alternating magnetic fields such that when the components are placed together, the rollers cannot find any point at which they can remain at rest. It is in effect a magnetic motor riding on magnetic bearings (no friction or component wear!) A full SEG therefore produces its own motion which then cuts magnetic fields to produce 'free energy'.

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mjs9691: Do you have details of the construction so other people can replicate i.e. giving the technology the best chance for it to break free to the masses? As stated by others on here, any attempt at trying to commercialise this device will have to be met with resistance, for obvious reasons.

Dr. Terry Moore: Hi Mark, Unlike much of the "Free Energy" technology, the tooling required for construction is very expensive. The SEG has undergone a number of minor improvements since the 1960's and other adjustments are ongoing. For these reasons, there would be little point providing full details as there would be very few prepared to invest in the construction equipment. We are working against the clock to finish the SEG and do not have any spare time to tackle additional projects at the moment.

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elfranz:if not fake, this is quite amazing, i was waiting for someone to build and let see... could you generate some of searl's claims, such as weight reduction and electric current generation? If so, what's the output of this demo SEG?

Dr. Terry Moore: Hi there have been two independent verifications of the mock-ups you see on the two videos. We understand this is to be confirmed on the pesn site shortly(See link above) and a copy of the video made available. Once the two ring and roller demonstration is ready, this will be uploaded on You Tube. We will also be posting additional videos shortly. The first stage of the reconstruction of the SEG is what you see on the videos.

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gog23: Beautiful work Terry :-) It is very important to keep us informed about the project. That is the only way how we can persuade the unbelievers :-))

Dr. Terry Moore: This new science is unbelievable. As time passes, our newsletters will address all the questions and explain the science. The videos to be posted over the next months will prove the science.

ccbwoods questions Dr. Terry Moore

ccbwoods: Lets be sure here. This is NOT an SEG. It doesnt generate electricty or generate the so called `anti-gravity` effect. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. I can quite easily demostrate the same principle using a magnetic field. If you are a Dr, TerryMoore can you please state where you studied? WHere you worked? I mean, there is no harm in the verification of your story? Where is your lab? How about more independent witnesses? Keep an open mind people.

Dr. Terry Moore: This is not an SEG, it is a mock up of the central ring and first run of rollers. This demonstration is part of the research to obtain data for the first patent. Materials for the rest of the SEG are currently being prepared. Videos will be posted showing the progress. A voltage could be extracted from this first configuration, but this was not the purpose of the demonstration. Details of my background and additional information will be included in our newsletter.

ccbwoods: Look forward to the newsletter. Also look forward to any results and independent verification of those results. Am happy someone has at least gone to the lengths of trying to actually replicate SEG and see if/what does happen. Would it have made more sense to have not released this now and waited until you had something `real` to actually test and demonstrate?

Dr. Terry Moore: Many similar projects have failed to obtain a patent in the past and have "disappeared". Our aim is to document each stage in the public domain in order that the technology has a better chance of surviving any outside pressures which may feel under threat. To subscribe to our newsletter send your email address and the word subscribe to us via the You Tube message service.

atlanticus questions Dr. Terry Moore

atlanticus: I am not physicist, but it seams to me you need electricity to run those 'alternating magnetic fields'. You need energy input to create that motion? What is the point then? What gives us the surplus/additional/excess energy here?

Dr. Terry Moore: The SEG technology is based on the interaction of the multilayered magnetic fields of the magnetic components comprising fixed rings which create the movement of the interacting fields of the floating rollers. The motion is created by these interacting fields. The SEG requires no additional input of energy to create the motion.

Esa Ruoho and Dr. Terry Moore

esaruoho:do you have plans of making an animation of the magnetic fields intersecting and pushing/pulling eachother, (instating 360degrees continuous rotation) available, so that the thing missing from the classic magnetic field theory can be addressed (put down to words and debated) by laymen and scientists alike? is this another instance of magnetic viscosity/lag?

Dr. Terry Moore: This is a good idea. An animation would help the public understand the technology. I will ask our graphics team to work on this. However, as we post more videos of the steps over the next few months, it will be easier for the general public to understand the science.

One roller mock up of the SEG (1)

all comments

Twelve roller mock up of the SEG (2)

all comments

Expert independent verification and discussion Clip 1 (3)
Expert independent verification & discussion Clip 2 (4)
SEG voltage controlled demonstration (5)

all comments

Dr. Terry Moore: We wish we could get to the next stage quicker, with the correct magnetic layer on the central ring/plate and the second ring/plate in place. The rollers will then hover between the two rings and travel considerably faster in the next demonstration! It may be three months before that is ready. In the meantime, other videos of other intermediate tests will be posted.

Dr. Terry Moore: This demonstrates the original 'mock-up' but with aluminium sleeves on the rollers, which increases the electron flow and the magnetic effect such that with just an exciter voltage of 1.5 volts, we are able to spin the rollers at 200 rpm, without them flying off the ring!

Dr. Terry Moore: the team are ecstatic over the results so far. What is absolutely incredible is that at each step, John calculates the exact results of each stage of the reconstruction before the test is carried out and the results are exactly as predicted!

overlord3099: Does weight reduction occur at this step of the process?

Dr. Terry Moore:There is no weight reduction at this stage. The weight reduction will only occur when the full SEG is assembled and only then if too much current is drawn off. Overload protection will be built into the retail version!

wbeaty: To clarify: what's in the circuit diagram simulating the outer ring for this mock-up version? Coils, green LEDs, any other components?

Dr. Terry Moore: the coils,and LED's take the place of the second ring/plate. We added the LED's to indicate when the voltage was applied. Once the second ring/plate is completed, there will be no need for the coils. The interacting magnetic fields provide a state where the rollers cannot find a point at which the fields cancel each other out and the rollers will continue to hover, spin and travel around the gap between the two rings/plates. At that stage we will be demonstrating power output.

wbeaty: But what's in the circuit diagram?

Dr. Terry Moore:Hi wbeaty, You will note that each coil has a resistor to limit the current.

FBRK8R: It looks as if the coils are all wired in parallel in a horseshoe formation. What are the different materials in the central ring? How can I get more technical information? I would like to understand how and why this thing works. Where do you draw power from if there are no coils in the finished model?

Dr. Terry Moore: I have sent you some links and additional information, which should answer your queries. As you will see from the literature, once the SEG is completed, the full SEG produces interacting magnetic fields which cause the rollers to spin between the rings without any contact with the rings or other rollers and without any need for any power input whatsoever.

FBRK8R: So does the next ring out rotate in the opposite direction? And it is self exciting once it has two sets of rollers? If you were to place electromagnets wired in parallel in a horseshoe pattern around the next set of rollers would it induce DC?

Dr. Terry Moore: the rings/plates are stationary and fixed. Only the rollers rotate, spin and hover between the rings/plates. Once the second ring/plate has been completed, we will be able to demonstrate the rollers rotating, spinning and hovering between the first two rings/plates without any power input. At this stage, we will be able to demonstrate a power output with no power input.

bitRAKE: Since the coils are wired in parallel the syncronization could be improved by with a change in the layout - currently, there would be a signal delay between coils that would impact rotation.

Dr. Terry Moore: the configuration and design of the coils is dependant on design considerations dictated by the law of the squares. The configuration is not ideal and does not provide the same features as would be found in the second ring/roller. Apart from the fact that the second ring/plate is not yet completed, this configuration was used to elicit measurements required for the first patent.

bitRAKE: Layout appears to be: B=B= ±{power source} =B=B where B is a coil. Try this configuration: +¯B=B=B=B_- should reduce error accumulation.

Dr. Terry Moore: Hi bitRAKE, your suggestion "B=B= ±{power source} =B=B where B is a coil. Try this configuration: +¯B=B=B=B_- should reduce error accumulation" is interesting, however, the configuration we have used is primarily designed to extract technical information for the patent.

chronos1137: anyone who's interested in this should look up otis t. carr's OTC-X1 its a ambient energy acumulator that that works of the same principal, its just built differentely, its used to drive a bie-field brown effect type airship. sence its the same principal thats probibly what caused acouple of the first SEG's to fly away.

Dr. Terry Moore: The Otis T Carr OTC-X1 had a few similarities but was primarily a technology based on only two major moving parts. Sadly, there is no record of any demonstration of any of his inventions.

fleubis: to clarify what I'm seeing here, it looks like as long as you apply power--as indicated by the LED's--the rollers rotate and when removing the power the LED's go out and the rollers stop. Thus at this point in your development the device does not appear to be a self-running OU device. Is this correct?

Dr. Terry Moore: the demonstration you see is a 'mock up' of the technology. Without the benefit of the second ring to stabilise and generate the movement of the rollers, a small voltage is applied to take the place of the second ring/plate. Once the next stage is completed we will be able to demonstrate rollers running and hovering freely between two rings with no contact, noise or friction or power input.

Actionseven: i would like to know from professor searl how his invention differs from a particle accelerator, plus i also have a view more questions/ideas regarding his work.

Dr. Terry Moore: In his early books John states that the Levity Disc/SEG appears to act like a cyclotron in many ways. In a later book you see he also quoted that the SEG acts in a similar fashion to a particle accelerator. However it could be described more correctly as an electron ramjet.

Tranquillitatisufo: How are you going to prove that you don not have these drivecoils hidden inside the second (and third) "ring"/"plate" when you show that in the future?

An investor watches the improved 'mock-up' running at 200rpm (6)

zyby: How can this system be used to produce useful work? What is it's efficiency compared to a conventional electric motor?

Dr. Terry Moore:This is the first stage of the reconstruction of the SEG, a device which, when complete, will generate 15Kw of continuous power at 220/240v. What you see is the central section of an electric generator, not a motor.

zyby:Re: why the rollers spin and why they stay on the plate. Perhaps something similar to the Coanda effect plays a role?

Dr. Terry Moore:The movement is created by the interaction of the multiple layers of alternating magnetic fields imprinted onto the central ring/plate and rollers. The rollers are currently attracted to the central ring/roller as the second ring/plate is not there to cause the rollers to hover.

Ho Hum?

On Feb. 23, 2007, New Energy Congress member, "Earl" wrote:

I find the reactions to the newest videos of a "SEG" to be mostly emotional and not observational.

Here are the cold facts:

1) the two new videos show nothing that has anything at all to do with a classical Searl SEG, nor to the Godin/Roschin modification.

2) the two new videos show nothing more, nothing less, than an electrical motor. Absolutely nothing new, nor anything to get excited about, nor lose any sleep over.

A round magnet rotates freely around a central magnet. No big deal.

A round magnet rotates around a central magnet because stator coils pulse as it passes. No big deal. No difference to any other electric motor.

If this is the best the SEG can do after 50 years, then it deserves at most a big yawn.

While I believe the Godin/Roschin modification may have merit, it could also be that the Searl SEG is only a fantasy tall tale. It can not at this point in time be ruled out that Godin & Roschin story was made up to sucker investors. It has been many years since investors with tens of millions of dollars backed Godin & Roschin to build another prototype. Since then only silence. As the financing was more than sufficient, and since no commercial products have come out onto the market, one must ask why?

In reality, a Godin/Roschin SEG, simplified to the maximum, is with-in the reach of any kitchen table-top experimenter.

If anyone wishes to build the simplest possible Godin/Roschin SEG, it can be done with a plexiglass sheet stator and a plexiglass sheet rotor. A ball bearing connects the two. The sheets are 1m by 1m and the rotor can be left that way or rounded up with a jig-saw to 1m diameter. 24 small round plexiglass disks mounted on ball bearings spaced equiangular on the periphery of the large rotor disk (every fifth stator magnet). The small disks have 10 magnets mounted through them and have a disk diameter of about 80 mm. I suggest the magnets be tall cylinder types rather than fat, thin disks. 10 magnets x 24 = 240 in the small disks and 120 magnets in the stator, for a total of 360 magnets. The large rotor disk would turn about 550-600 RPM and the small disks 12 times as fast. If anyone has the capability to attempt replication of the Godin-Roschin machine, I can give exact building details and dimensions. If the small disks are spaced every 4th stator magnet, then 30 are needed or 300 magnets in the small rotors, for a total machine count of 420 magnets. The above figures are based on a small NEO magnet diameter of 10 mm. Total magnet weight could be between 3.6 and 4.2 kgs. A replication does not have to be a 300 kg monster.

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I wrote a computer program to calculate Godin-Roschin generic machines. Basically, my only needed input is magnet diameter, then my program calculates the entire machine with all its parameters. Oh yes, another variable input is nr of magnets in the small rollers. My program calculates several machines of different "gear ratios". Change a parameter, hit ENTER and the new machines are already designed it's that fast. Godin used parts from autos and massive, heavy, metallic construction. To replicate, Plexiglas or wood is good enough. The small disks are the only danger, since they spin at maybe 7200 RPM and they have to withstand the increase in magnet weight due to centrifugal force, which can be a big surprise. A small 10 gram magnet can become as heavy as a cement sack at higher RPMs. I also have a program to calculate this. If anyone is truly interested in building a Godin simplified to the max machine, I am willing to be their mentor.

contact: via sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com

Dr. Terry Moore's Reply

On Feb. 23, 3007, Terry Moore replied to the above post by Earl:

"You cannot know what is in the safe unless you have the key."

My personal thoughts are:

1. The videos are only to prove the concept and without two rings for the rollers to react with, it does indeed not replicate the SEG. When the next rings are ready it will.

2. There has never ever to my knowledge been an electrical motor built with permanent magnets in this configuration, of any kind.

I have never seen any configuration which has a magnet running around another.

This configuration cannot be compared to an elecric motor.

If indeed he appears to " believe the Godin/Roschin modification may have merit" where did they say they obtained the idea...John.

Why did they not succeed....because they did not have full details on how to construct the SEG.

and as for his......

>>If anyone wishes to build the simplest possible Godin/Roschin SEG, it

can be done with a plexiglass sheet stator and a plexiglass sheet

rotor. A ball bearing connects the two. The sheets are 1m by 1m and

the rotor can be left that way or rounded up with a jig-saw to 1m

diameter. 24 small round plexiglass disks mounted on ball bearings

spaced equiangular on the periphery of the large rotor disk (every

fifth stator magnet). The small disks have 10 magnets mounted through

them and have a disk diameter of about 80 mm. I suggest the magnets be

tall cylinder types rather than fat, thin disks. 10 magnets x 24 = 240

in the small disks and 120 magnets in the stator, for a total of 360

magnets. The large rotor disk would turn about 550-600 RPM and the

small disks 12 times as fast. If anyone has the capability to attempt

replication of the Godin-Roschin machine, I can give exact building

details and dimensions. If the small disks are spaced every 4th stator

magnet, then 30 are needed or 300 magnets in the small rotors, for a

total machine count of 420 magnets. The above figures are based on a

small NEO magnet diameter of 10 mm. Total magnet weight could be

between 3.6 and 4.2 kgs. A replication does not have to be a 300 kg

monster.

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