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Danger? Wouldn't it Act on Salt Water in Living Tissues?

On June 24, 2008, Michael Rosbrough wrote:

I was wondering about the potential downside of Mr. Kanzius' de-salinasation(salt water to fire) discovery. If a RF signal, 13.56 MHz, is directed toward a container of salt water which causes the positive electrons in sodium to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen molecules and burn the hydrogen, why can't we speculate that other objects such as a large body of salt water, the human body or any potential environment where salt and water exist, would react in a similiar yet undesirable manner.

RF imitates platinum catalyst

On June 16, 2007, Charles Kilmer wrote to the kanzius effect discussion list:

I wrote a blog on this topic. Some of the links go back to this

discussion group.

http://nick2.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/saltwater-into-fire/

I have an updated post Here:

http://nick2.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/kanzius-and-penn-state-chemist-rostum-roy/

Read through the blog carefully.

What you should see is the secret sauce to the Kanzius effect. Its

contained in one of kanzius patents and in an expired eu patent.

What's happening is that the RF is imitating the radio frequency of

some catalyst for water separations. My guess is that the catalyst

frequency that's being imitated is platinum since that's the big

expensive catalyst in hydrogen fuel cells. What's happening is that

the salt water is fooled into believing there's a platinum catalyst in

the water.

The other thing that's happening is that the Na is getting really hot really fast. Na --like any metal

in a microwave is a heatsink.

The water is first destablized by the RF and then its broken apart by the superheated

Na.

Now consider if they could eliminate platinum from fuel cells

altogether while using salt water as a storage and fuel for hydrogen

-- suddenly hydrogen fuel cell cars would be dramatically cheaper.

To see what I mean consider this article on hydrogen fuel cells

http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/home.story/story_id/1673

Background paper: Fuel cells at Los Alamos

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# Lord Peel Says:

November 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pm e

http://LordPeel.notlong.com

The use of high frequencies to increase the efficency of water

seperation seems to be a recuring discovery for inventors. Check out

the patent for Stanley Meyer's `Water Fuel Cell' US Pat No 4,936,961.

A device that produced hydrogen and oxygen from water using high

frequency electric fields between two plates and exibited the same

increase in performance when exposed to solar radiation. From the

details in the patents I have calculated the frequency of the electric

fields to be around 1.38Mhz, 10 times lower than the frequency for

platinum but I believe the device relied on the resonant cavity

between the two plates to produce a higher harmonic.

As to being an energy 'source', if the catalysing effect of the RF

can be produced efficiently enough then the actual splitting of the

water could be done by ambient radiation, even low level heat. the

convertion of ambient or solar energy into a fuel gas would make this

kind of device a sustainable form of renewable energy.

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water droplets are arcing from the R.F.

On June 6, 2007, Jerome E. Goodwin Sr. wrote:

> The " flame " is not truly burning in this case the

> water droplets are arcing from the R.F. ( Radio

> Frequency ) energy. It is the same as a waveguide

> arcing when moisture gets in it. The water turns to

> steam as the salt is heated and the R.F. finishes

> the job by arcing between the droplets. The

> "plasma" is just R.F..

Some responses

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/14 - RF is an energy signal created via a simple spark of a switch of 2 wires touching eachother, the good old relay "morse code", every electronic device in the...

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/15 - Air, heat, gas, electricity, conductivity, capacitance, thermal temp. A Few Possibilities: 1: Still some gas left over that's burning until exhuasted or the ...

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/18 - It looks to me as video on youtube.com supports Jerome's observation regarding RF making the arc (like plasma) between dense droplets of water. The paper towel...

Caused by Polarization of the Hydrogen Molecules magnetic bond

On June 28, 2007, Ted Green wrote:

To get right to the point, I believe the Kanzius effect is caused by the polarization of the hydrogen molecules in the water. This polarization causes the two atoms of hydrogen to lose their 105 degree orientation to each other and de-stabilize the water molecule. The unstable water molecule comes apart easily then, combining hydrogen to hydrogen and oxygen to oxygen in a magnetic bond. Because the water molecules’ special property to hold sodium is lost, some sodium atoms must also be released to react violently with the water still present. This ignites hydrogen which recombines with the oxygen to keep the wick from being consumed. The unusual properties of the HHO gas, catalyzes the whole process to a very high efficiency.

Over Unity?

What is the source of this claim: "Efficiency-wise, they are presently at around 76 percent of Faraday's theoretical limit" ? This claim appears to contradict reports in the press, where Kaznius appears to represent that he gets more energy out of the process that he input into the process. If he has a 76% efficient process, that is a significant achievement. but if he claims the energy return is greater than 100%, then that violates the first law of thermodynamics. I would truly appreciate clarification on the origin of these numbers, I have not seem the 76% number reported anywhere else. Thanks. Cfrjlr 19:27, 13 Sep 2007 (EDT)

On Nov. 30, 2007, New Energy Congress member, Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan responded:

: If it is producing more energy than it consumed, it could be harnessing yet-to-be-understood forces of nature. All you need is some imagination.

Hydrogen on Demand

On November 30, 2007, David Lynum wrote:

I'm contacting you concerning John Kanzius' Radio-frequency Generator. I saw an article on him on the News Target website. Further research said that in order to contact Mr. Kanzius, one has to send e-mail to you. Basically I was wondering where he was at with his radio-frequency generator and the production of hydrogen to produce 'fuel' for cars and other vehicles. Given the concerns over the combustability of hydrogen, I had an idea that could help with this. Think of it as a 'fuel on demand' system, of which the radio-frequency generator and water are a part. Think of tankless water heaters, which provide 'hot water on demand'. Utilize the same system with the radio-frequency generator. That means there's no need to store the hydrogen that gets produced. Another option would be to produce enough hydrogen to also feed a 'small' fuel cell. The fuel cell would serve as a battery to 'kick-start' the whole process of powering the radio-frequency generator. I think that the radio-frequency generator would be a great way to provide fuel for marine vehicles, including research submarines. With semi-autonomous underwater vehicles being developed, the radio-frequency generator would be great for them.

Just some thoughts by a fellow thinker.

US Auto Industry will Balk While Others Run With It

On July 11, 2008, Bob Waldman wrote:

Having seen the Jon Kansius marvelous internet display of ‘burning salt water into fuel’ – having been in marketing in the automotive market and knowing how the oil industry reacts to any ‘new’ energy source that might deplete their ‘position’ – for something that phenomenal to be successful, so that it goes ‘full circle’ rapidly, if it hasn’t been done- as has happened in the past- the Japanese will ‘run with it’ – Nuff said!

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