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The Ecowatts Thermal Energy Cell British group is developing an electrolysis based energy cell that converts electrical power into heat at an efficiency significantly greater than that of a conventional immersion heater. Independent analysis has verified that the system produces 1.5x to 2 times as much energy out as was put in. Expected in the market by 2010.

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Possibly Cold Fusion

On Sept. 16, 2007, New Energy Congress member, Congress:Advisor:Kenneth M. Rauen wrote:

Sounds like a Directory:Cold Fusion (CF) process, and excess heat is

being utilized. Some people have suggested CF should

be marketed without being called CF because it has a

bad reputation. Electrolysis with carbonates have been

used. I don't recall if normal water works with this

electrolyte, and the electrodes are unknown. Mills'

original process was electrolytic and used normal

water he later switched to a plasma process that

Directory:Blacklight Power now uses for heat generation.

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Similar to Blacklight Power

On Sept. 8, 2007, User:Jeffsmathers wrote:

This application seems viable and likely based on the previous work and science applied by Dr. Mills of Blacklight Power. His extensive work and validated studies show his work is being shown by the "water heater" model. Please see Directory:Blacklight Power.

Skeptical

A New Source of Energy Is Unlikely

--Apgaylard 06:33, 22 Oct 2007 (EDT)

Some press reports give the impression that this device breaks the first law of thermodynamicsIn 2003 Christopher Davies, then the managing director of Gardner Watts was quoted as saying:. Similar comments were made in a recent BBC report by Ecowatts' CEO Paul Calver [http://www.ecowatts.co.uk/files/Ecowatts.wmv"></pesn> (warning large wmv file).

This alleged new source of energy has not been identified. Professor Stephen Smith(Essex University) has been quoted as being skeptical about the theory put forward by the company<pesn type=. Whilst this is the case claims for this device need to be treated with extreme caution. It remains highly unlikely that there is any new source of energy powering this device. The scientific approach is to explore simpler explanations, before advancing speculations of this sort. One more likely explanation was touched on in a comment attributed to Professor Smith: "... if there is a flaw in the company's claims, it lies in the measurement of the amount of electrical energy pumped into the cell. It is possible that, as sparks pass between the electrodes, there is an energy surge which would not be picked up by the instruments measuring the electrical input." He was also quoted as saying: "This needs to be very carefully checked, as there could be far more energy going in than the makers think."[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/18/ncell18.xml"></pesn>

Not Supported by the UK Government

--Apgaylard 12:49, 21 Oct 2007 (EDT)

Although it has been claimed in the presshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965 that this project has the backing of the UK's Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), this does not seem to be the case. Responding to a request under the Freedom of Information Act (2000) an official at the DTI's sucessor ministry (Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform) commented that the department's energy group took at meeting last year, at the request of Mr Calver, to discuss possible sources of funding. The official stated that it was explained that two government programmes were potentially available. As of 15th October 2007 Ecowatts had made no application for support under these programmes.

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Directory:Thermal Electric

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Directory:Cold Fusion

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