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Oscillation Bespeaks Tesla tech

Oct. 19, 2004

Now THIS I Like!

As all Tesla fans know, resonance is everything, and any circuit along these lines (using coils) should be able to be "tuned".

Steve Chlupsa

Congrats from Bedini

Oct. 19, 2004

Yes we always measure with something better then that, gravity

indicators can be misleading, so we use a BK carbon pile tester to

make sure the charge is really in the battery. This type of meter

loads the battery to the amp hours required. As I said to you run the

experiment for yourself and find out if it charges the secondary

battery you do not need a lab to do this work.

I can

say safely, that the TUV test was right on the money, it plainly

states that one battery used as a primary source can run the machine

and charge four batteries at the same time in the secondary circuit.

Sterling is right about making this solid state. What Sterling

has built is a radiant reactive oscillator open loop to nature in the

front end he need's some help but he has learned from this. Good work


Sterling was telling you the truth about coming to visit

here we have what we say we have. Also as I have said that it takes

energy to trigger it out, the only thing that will ever be Over Unity

or FE will be a peremeant magnetic motor running on it's own. A wire collecting charge from the atmosphere charging a

battery, wind power, solar cells, waterpower, these are real free

energy devices, but again somebody must pay for this, so it's not


I have combined my work since 1984 into one machine to make it easy

to build, no timing circuit, no capacitors, just a simple straight

froward circuit to experiment with and learn from. This is all I can

say, just do the experiment. Best of luck to you in your efforts.

-- John Bedini

Ringing Bedini Circuit Only Surface Charge

Hi All.

In my experience with the other Bedini Motor Circuit's, when it Rings

like that, it will charge up a batt pretty fast, but it only amounts to

a surface charge, when you discharge the battery with a 500 watt

inverter running a 250W heat lamp or 100W bulb it does not have much

charge, compared to a regular charged battery, discharged the same


A Gauss Meter Circuit:

this circuit can also run Current sensors like these:

I use the PRO5 for small currents, and the AMP25, AMP100, AMP200 for

larger currents

These sensors measure current Unintrusively, unlike a Muilitmeter that

adds resistance in series to the circuit that you are measuring, and

their voltage output can be view on a Volt Meter or Oscope.........

Using 2 circuits, one as a Gauss Meter, the other as a Current Meter,

with each viewed on a duel trace Oscope at the same time, will show you

how the magnetic field strength and current flow waveforms are

related..... can be very informitive.....

and this circuit is relatively easy to build..........

Hope this Helps


Analogous Ringing found in Insulators?

Oct. 19, 2004


Thanks for the update.

Try checking the coil's core for sound. I suspect the ringing is

coming from the expansion and contraction of the iron, which is

typical in a transformer. In a transformer, when the iron gets

magnetized, it expands. As the coil is shut off, it contracts. This

creates the vibration. I suspect the vibrations were still there with

the lower resistors, but it was in a spectrum you couldn't hear.

Indeed, this is how they make silent transformers -- by changing the

oscillations so that it is oscillating in a frequency we can't hear.

Don't take any of this as coming from an expert -- I'm certainly not

one. I just remembered hearing about vibrating transformers making

noise and so I looked it up on the web and sure enough, that seems to

give a plausible explanation as to the ringing you are hearing.


Is this an oscillator circuit?

Oct. 20, 2004

Added by Stefan Hartmann:

Sterling, you have probably built an oscillator circuit by accident

when you changed the resistor.

The frequency is dependant on all the stray capacitance of your coils and the value

of L of your coils.

To compare output energy versus input energy , you need to check the charge

batteries for their output.

So you need to drive a defined load (test resistor) for a defined time on the output

batteries and then compare this output power x time versus the used input energy

(power input x time) at the same charge level of the batteries.

That is a pretty complicated setup, cause you also have to include the

differential charge energy levels of the batteries.

Maybe it would be much better to use supercaps as Dave Squires has stated here:

How about using a supercapacitor bank to replace the batteries?

Get a low leakage type and well matched to get the needed

voltage in series. Charge up the capacitor bank to about

the battery voltage used. Then start it up.

It should be pretty evident if more energy comes back or not.

If yes, the cap voltage rises or remains the same. If not, it

slowly decays.

This eliminates all battery chemistry issues, electrolyte

balance or specific gravity checks. These caps do use an

ionic method to store charge somewhat like a battery and so

perhaps are suited well to a test of this system. They don't

have the cycle limit that batteries have.


- - - -

Regards, Stefan Hartmann.


Hi Sterling,

Two things you have to remember about batteries.

1) The voltage profiles for charge and discharge are very diffenet. Get the manufactures specs on the charge and discharge voltage profiles

2) The amount of energy taken from or input to a battery is a product of current, voltage, and time.


For varying voltages and currents you need to sum over the tmes for each one.

Total Energy=V1I1t1 +V2I2t2 +V13I3t3 +V441t4 etc.

where V and I are the voltage and current during a time interval t.



Make a real load test

Hi Sterling,

try to discharge your charge battery once, to see, how much

energy it really has stored.

Take a 20 Ohm resistor ( 10 Watts type)and see, how long you can draw a current of 600 ma

at 12 Volts with it.

Note current value and voltage value and see how the voltage and current drops

over time.

Then you can calculate the right amount of energy capacity you had inside the battery.

Then compare this with the amount of energy you had prior put from the drive battery

into the system.

Regards, Stefan.

Not willing to sacrifice a battery

Oct. 20, 2004


I am no battery expert, but I see two problems with your proposed test.

First, what you are requesting basically amounts to sacrificing a battery because the test you propose will kill the battery. It requires complete discharge, which no battery can take and still live.

Second, it requires painstaking manual data collection or expensive automatic data collection. I'm not willing to do the manual data because of the first reason stated.

What is needed is the Battery Capacity Analyzer Bedini mentioned today at bedini_sg. I saw John and Peter use this routinely when they were showing their prototypes to us. It is a highly accurate way to get a measure of a battery's capacity at a given point without sacrificing the battery. The drawback is the meter is only for a 12-V system, and I'm using 6Vs right now.


Radiant Energy

Hi Sterling,

I was reading Bedini's explanation of his radiant energy. He basically describes it as voltage without current.

If this is true, a battery could be made to self-charge by correctly pulsing the terminals with the proper voltage waveforms, while not allowing any current to flow (except what is necessary for switching).

This idea would simlify the cricuits necessary to get the Bedini effects, without having any load at all. It would also increase the efficiency of the effect.

Also, short negative voltage pulses applied to the positive terminal, with no external current could cause internal electron flow from the positive to negative pole, thus charging the battery.