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Concerned Father Requests Assistance from PESWIKI for Rickshaw Bike Project

Compiled by Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan

Pure Energy Systems News

March 10, 2011

Angus Kirk, who lives in hilly Agropoli, Italy, is looking for a way to power his rickshaw bike to haul his kids to school and other errands, while keeping it under 250 Watts. He's composed a clever video addressed to the PESWiki crowd to get suggestions.

The Appeal

Video

3ViuNY5SWac

VIDEO TRANSCRIPTION:

(Thanks Directory:Hank Mills)

This is a short video appeal to PESWIKI contributors. My name is Angus Kirk and I live in Agropoli, a small seaside town in the south of Italy. Whilst building solar water and air heaters using recycled materials, I came across PESWIKI.

During the school holidays I cycle to work but during term time I have to take my three children to school every morning. The two eldest have quite heavy school bags to carry. For this reason I would like to build a rickshaw bike, but Agropoli is quite hilly.

As for motors, the Italian highway code limits an electric motor to 250 watts. Anything more powerful is considered a motor vehicle. In fact the majority of London's 1000 pedicabs have been illegally adopted to run partially on car batteries and more powerful motors. So the challenge is to come with a power assisted rickshaw bike.

I am open to any combination of energy sources that will make cycling up those hills a little easier. Nick Kovacevic's Bedini-powered Milkovic two stage oscillator looks impressive. So does the v-gate motor. So do the other open source projects. If only I understood them.

I have built vehicles before having taken part in all Red Bull events in Italy. Unfortunately, I flunked physics in school.

Some thoughts... perhaps the passengers could assist by swinging the arm rests backwards and forwards or using a swinging motion of the foot rest. Perhaps peddling the bike could at the same time drive the rear wheels and keep the Milkovic pendulum swinging. Would the weight of a pendulum outweigh any benefits of movement I might gain? Could some kind of magnet motor activated by my peddling give me added woomph.

We are in your hands. Please help us if you can. We are not looking to make money or commercialize anything. An eventual successful build will of course be minutely detailed and published on PESWIKI for all to copy. Thank you.

Communications

On March 20, 2011 Angus wrote

Things are moving along rapidly. I have found a fantastic site, an Italian forum entirely dedicated to electric bikes! The members, after having seen my video appeal, have bombarded me with advice and I will soon be gathering all the information together concerning what electric motor and batteries to buy, where to position them, how to set the bike up, the possibility of using solar panels to recharge the batteries, etc, etc.

I am trying to contact various patent holders in England, Germany and the U.S who claim to have created systems that would "help" pedalling, but they are not that easy to find....

I have also contacted the Indian companies who produce these rickshaw bikes in India, but they don't respond!

'On March 13, 2011 Angus wrote:'

A number of comments have arrived on the Youtube video appeal page, with some interesting ideas to follow up. However I get the feeling that the solution has to be a combination of technologies, not just one idea.

I've been looking at the flywheel idea suggested by one user (see below in the IDEAS section) but the video demonstration (linked in IDEAS) made me instinctively reach for a cricket box, if you know what I mean!!

I also found a PESWIKI reference to a certain James Morris who had come up with a magnetic motor axle for skateboards (US patent 7,364,174) which if it works could be sized up to a trike. He also patented a magnetic motor axle assembly similar to the skateboard axle (WIPO WO/073949) which talks about "magnetically augmenting the rotational driving efficiency of a typical electric motor". I'm going to try and get in contact with him.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter .... :)

In a follow-up communication, on March 09, 2011 11:41 AM MST, Angus wrote:

I look forward to hearing from lots of people. Yes, I tried to make an entertaining video, but the message is of course serious. Bikes are fantastic, but they are single person carriers, not PEOPLE carriers. The moment a rickshaw bike becomes an "easier" ride, school runs will never be the same again! Can you imagine a line of hockey mums on their rickshaw bikes waiting outside the school at lunchtime or taking the kids to the cinema followed by a ride along the waterfront?

- - - -

On March 06, 2011 3:38 PM MST, Angus wrote:

Subject: cold fusion and other things

Dear Sterling,

As I mentioned in my previous email I had sent an email of encouragement to the two Italian doctors (Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi) concerning their work with the cold fusion.

I received a reply from Prof. Focardi. (I am sure he won’t mind me sending you a copy)

: "Gentile Amico,

: Ho scoperto il sito di PESWIKI grazie al Suo messaggio trasmesso dalla direzione del dipartimeto di fisica sia a me sia all'ing Rossi. Mi pare che l'articolo su detto sito sia completo e ben scritto. Cio' fa piacere, perche' spesso si trovano commenti malevoli di autori palesemente invidiosi o di giovani chiaramente sprovveduti che si illudono di poter ripetere i nostri risultati lavorando nel loro garage senza avere le conoscenze necessarie di fisica e la minima consapevolezza dei rischi che possono correre. Infatti il processo dipende da una reazione nucleare che anche se non pericolosa deve essere tenuta a bada. Se sfugge di controllo puo' portare all'esplosione.

: Colgo l'occasione per porgerLe i piu cordiali saluti

: Sergio Focardi"

I don't know how good your Italian is, but basically he informed me that he discovered your site thanks to my email and that he found your article "complete and well-written". He goes on to say that he is concerned about young people trying to replicate his work in their garages without realizing the risks they are running. The process depends on a "nuclear reaction" which, although not dangerous, must be kept under control. If it should get out of hand it might cause an explosion!

I thought I would share this with you as we don't want some college kids blowing themselves up in a garage in the pursuit of clean energy!:)

I am also sending you a link to a video message I have made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ViuNY5SWac

It is an appeal for help in designing a power-assisted rickshaw bike. Why? Well, as much as I like cycling, I have no choice but to use the car on a daily basis. My children are too young and the Italian roads are too dangerous to let them ride to school. But a school run in a rickshaw bike, now that would be really something. It could even start a trend, who knows? But I'm no Lance Armstrong when it comes to pedaling up those hills, let alone with three children and their schoolbags. A traditional motor is out (the Italian law limits an electric motor to 250 watts and a pedicab driver told me that that wouldn't help me at all) so I need to tap into all that creativity which is buzzing around PESWIKI.

The v-gate could be interesting as my pedaling would provide enough energy to get over the lock-up point. I also once read an article about a man James Morris who had developed a skateboard that used some kind of magnet motor to go farther and with less effort, but the company stated in the article doesn't seem to exist any longer.

Anyway, I would be extremely grateful if you could watch my video and advise me on where to post it. I am deadly serious about this project and, as I state in my video, I would share any successful build with everyone.

Thanks,

Angus Kirk

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On March 01, 2011 2:35 PM MST Angus wrote:

Dear Sterling,

Sorry, no, I have no connection with the Universty of Bologna, and the title Dr is misleading - I have a degree and here in Italy anyone with a degree is known as doctor! I actually work in hospital administration in a radiotherapy center here in Agropoli.

This morning, following your article concerning the Cold Fusion technology I actually sent an email of encouragement to the two doctors in Bologna. Since discovering your site about a month ago I have been slowly reading through each section.

My congratulations to you and your team on the excellent site - it really has opened my eyes and made me realize how those who have power continuously block any and all technology that might cause them to lose some of that power - let's hope that something truly memorable happens soon in one of your featured stories (perhaps the cold fusion here in Italy or Ismael Aviso's work) and that this technology will be freely available to everybody, especially developing countries. […]

Inspired by your site and your contributors, I am preparing a short "request for help" video - I won't say any more for the moment, but will send it to you as soon as I have finished.

Keep up the good work,

Angus Kirk

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On March 10, 2011 4:17 AM MST, Angus wrote:

Dear Sterling,

I can't thank you enough and [I] look forward to hearing from PESWIKI contributors. As projects go it might look like a drop in the free energy ocean but I think the applications could be numerous and fill a PEOPLE transport gap whilst respecting the quite strict European highway laws.

Incidentally, I had a look at the HUMAN CAR which is very impressive, until I saw the price tag. I mean, this seems to be a clean, safe method of transport that could be the city car of the future but will probably finish up as a Varsity rowing team's pubblicity stunt. What a waste. It would be interesting to know what are the cost involved that make the project so expensive.

In the meantime I am busy reading through PESWIKI directories, trying to make up for lost time and raise my free-energy I.Q. to an acceptable level!

Italian highway code

On March 10, 2011 5:19 AM MST, Angus wrote:

: "Bicycles are vehicles with two or more wheels propelled solely by muscle, by means of pedals or similar devices powered by the people who are on the vehicle. Bicycles can be assisted, equipped with an auxiliary electric engine with maximum continuous rated power of 0.25 KW which is progressively reduced and finally stopped when the vehicle reaches 25 km/h or sooner if the cyclist stops pedaling. The cycles can not exceed 1.30 m wide, 3 m long and 2.20 m in height"

So basically a lot of the kits on sale, which activate a motor without the need to pedal, are illegal. When you pedal the motor can start, when you stop pedalling the motor must stop!

In the News

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Ideas

Bedini-x-gen Combo

On March 9, 2011, Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan wrote:

Hi Mr. Kirk,

I'm thinking of two technologies combined might be a great match for you. One is a super efficient generator that I've not reported on yet because it's still in early development, and they don't want attention yet. The other is the battery technology of Bedini. With the battery and generator technology combined, you can get by with fewer batteries, and less wattage, while still getting the juice that you need. Both of these are commercial projects, not open source.

I pointed Rick Friedrich from John Bedini's lab to this page, and he replied saying that they indeed have something that could be very helpful here, but he can't give more details until their There was an error working with the wiki: Code[1] in July.

On March 10, 2011 12:03 AM MST, Rick wrote

: "We cannot and work with a motor company that uses another motor, when we have our own. We will sell battery chargers to companies but not partner up in this way."

Ultra Motor Company Ltd

''On March 10, 2011 4:28 PM MST, Adrian Akau wrote:

Dear Angus,

I enjoyed watching your video. I suggest you contact the Ultra Motor Company Limited. See below for information.

__________________

Company Overview

Ultra Motor Company Limited manufactures electric vehicles. It offers motors for electric moped, light commercial, wheelchair and electric, hybrid motorcycle, and car applications, as well as provides electric scooters. The company also offers engineering, industrial design, business, and marketing services for the electric vehicle industry. Ultra Motor Company Limited was incorporated in 2001 and is based in London, the United Kingdom.

Key developments for Ultra Motor Company Limited

09/21/2009

Ultra Motor Company Limited launched two new electric scooters Ultra Fun and Ultra Shakti. Both models are powered with low speed vehicle 250W geared motor and designed for hilly terrains. Ultra Fun and Ultra Shakti are clean, gasoline-free transportation alternatives for thousands of short trips Indians take every day.

____________

The inventor filed his patent in England in 2003 is Vasily Vasilivich Shokondin.The Company filing for his motor was,Ultra motor Company Limited (Liverpool). The company used this Idea and is manufacturing the motor.

Please also take a look at the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYBr-hz4WI

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Flywheel Energy Storage (FES)

On March 11, 2011 Angus wrote:

Well, a Youtube comment from TinselKoala (thanks for your time - you have a great channel, fantastic videos and I didn't understand anything :)) has put a new word into my vocabulary - "flywheel".

He wrote:

"I appreciate your candor and encourage your quest. However, a small amount of physics knowledge will help you by keeping you from wasting your time with contraptions like V-gate "motors" and two-stage pendulums. The V-gate video you excerpted is a well-known hoax and cannot be made to work many people have been trying for years and all their efforts are wasted. The Milkovic pendulum is an energy storage system,? essentially identical to a flywheel but much more complex (and uselessly so.)

If you are stuck on some mechanical system, I suggest a simple flywheel energy storage system. You won't be getting anything for free, but just like the Milkovic pendulum, you can store small forces accumulated over long time periods and then release the stored energy in a shorter time period, thus multiplying the power available. But it is important to realize (physics again) that force is not energy, power is not energy, and ENERGY is the conserved quantity,?not power or force."

I then googled "bicycle and flywheel" and a whole new world opened up!

People are building prototypes all over the world. Look at this .....

Video of a flywheel-powered trike http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5591140509449393106#docid=-8458338744377566268

I also found a physics forum from some time back talking about this:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=206514

Please let me know what you think! Has anybody any experience of this or seen a working model?

Pity about that v-gate motor though ...... :(

Rickshaw from India

On Monday, March 14, 2011 12:54 AM MST, Venugopal AK wrote:

In New Delhi, India already such a Rickshaw is untroduced. It will cost arounf Rs. 22,000 - Approximately 500 Dollars. One of the premier research institutes of the government of India, The Council of Scientific and Industrial Research is behind the venture. http://www.csirhrdg.res.in/

More news about the solar powered cycle rickshaw here:

http://postalstaffcorner.blogspot.com/2010/07/solar-power-assisted-pedal-operated.html

http://www.indiaclimatesolutions.com/solar-powered-electric-cycle-rickshaw-soleckshaw

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/solar_powered_r_3.php

--Inglese66 15:26, 15 March 2011 (PDT)

I visited the links and it certainly looks like we're getting there. The price seems too good to be true.

Here are the specs:
Image:Soleckshaw.jpg

Technical Features

Power source Solar and human

Drive Motor-assisted pedal-driven

Electric motor BLDC hub motor: 240-350 W, 36 V with regenerative capabilities

Transmission Chain drive with differential and two ratios

Brakes Three-wheel braking

Seating capacity Two passengers

Payload 200 kg (excluding driver)

Speed limit 15 kmph

They talk about the possibility of adding a solar panel to avoid need of solar charging stations.

"The cost of a SOLECKSHAW is quite moderate whereas setting up a solar charging station is quite involved. CEL (Central Electronics Limited), India is authorized to set up such stations in India. INSILICA, Calcutta is also ready for setting up Solar Charging Stations. Otherwise one may like to inquire with the licensees whether they are in a position to add a solar panel with the SOLECKSHAW itself. Usually a (1m X 1.5 m) panel is capable of producing 300 W. A SOLECKSHAW needs about 240 W of electric power."

I will be contacting the Soleckshaw’s developer, the Centre for Scientific and Industrial Research for further information. Again it all boils down to the electric motor's power. (240 W is legal but is it enough, 350 W is classified a motor vehicle)

Automatic Bike Transmission SIMKINETICS

Whilst googling for transmissions, I came across this very interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SIMKINETICS

I got in touch with the inventor Barry, who sent me the following fantastically-understandable explanation of what is needed to pedal a bike.

From SIMKINETICS Re: automatic bike transmission - very impressive, but could it help me?

"Hi Angus,

I watched your video about a ricksha for use on hills with heavy loads. Pedaling on hills requires a broad range of gears. Going uphill with a lot of weight will require very low gears, especially. I'll avoid the physics as much as possible to explain.

When you go uphill, almost all of your power is used to raise you up against gravity. Think about climbing a ladder it's the same phenomenon where you're lifting a load & can climb only so fast. Your power is the limiting factor to how fast you can climb. If you add weight, it will slow you down. The low gears on a bike or ricksha will allow you to go up the hill at a low speed while still pedaling at a fast enough pedaling speed. If you do not pedal fast enough, your body becomes less efficient because your muscles are producing too much stress & exertion to work well, so low gears allow you to pedal faster with less exertion. In effect, you're trading away bicycle speed for gains in weight hauling ability, while also trading away muscle stress for gains in pedaling speed.

Power is the important factor that determines how fast and/or how much weight you can haul upward. The equation for power is very simple: P=F X V. That means power is equal to force times velocity so, for a given power, raising the force requires lowering the velocity (speed). The force is the weight you're hauling, and the velocity is how much gain in altitude you get per minute while hauling the weight. Most men over 30 years of age can only produce about 200 watts of power, so that's what limits your speed upward while hauling the weight. f you could instantly double your power output, you'd gain elevation twice as fast! So yes, a motor-assisted ricksha would be a great idea!

One thing you must understand about hills is grade. Grade is the percentage of altitude gain per horizontal distance gained on a hill. When you go uphill, you are traveling both forward & slightly upward at the same time. If you increase how much you raise upward for every meter you travel forward, the hill is steeper and the grade rises as this percentage rises. The grade is a number. A ten percent grade is 'steeper' than an eight percent grade, for instace. What's important is that the grade determines how fast you raise upward against gravity that's always pulling you and any of your weights you're hauling straight down. Most of the work you're doing is to gain altitude. As the hill's grade increases, you will slow down without actually changing your effort level. If this happens while you're pedaling, and you cannot get a lower gear, you will begin pedaling too slow. Your sensation of effort will be in producing mostly wasted muscle stress.

I've learned a lot about biomechanics on the internet. Bicyclists are most efficient when they keep their pedaling cadence between 80 and 100 rpm. This might seem to be a rapid pedaling cadence, but it produces the best results in terms of both optimum power output and healthier stress levels of muscle & connective tissue. In terms of physics, the advantage of 80-100 cadence is power. Engineers call this a 'sweet-spot'.

The concept of regulating pedaling speed in a 'sweet-spot' also applies to engines and motors. The very reason that I invented the SIVAT was to perfectly accomodate all forms of power production to constantly keep them able to maintain their operational sweet-spot speeds. SIVAT's torque-sensitive automatic feature, coupled to its ability to get extremely low gears, allow it to regulate input speed in relation to the power demands at all times for all prime-movers (human legs, electric motors & petrol engines).

Hopefully, this shall have helped you to understand the reasons for your need of a wide range of gear ratios that includes very low ratios for a ricksha used in hills. I'd suggest that the SIVAT would be an excellent choice for a transmission this would include its use for pedaling as well as for electric motor-assisted pedaling. The initial product is most likely to be a bicycle specially designed to accomodate a SIVAT with a power capacity to handle nearly 1,000 watts! Since your ricksha's are custom built, as opposed to being mass-produced, you could design-in the special frame features required to accomodate the SIVAT core which we might be able to sell to you. We are in very early stages of negotiating our business opportunities, so having SIVAT products available will take many months, perhaps between 14 months and 3 years from actually starting business.

Right now, it appears that we'll start with bicycles, and then migrate into motor-assisted bicycles and (possibly) scooters. This means that, eventually, our drive system will use the SIVAT to keep both pedaling speeds and motor speeds operating in the sweet-spot simultaneously. All of those vehicles will have excellent hill-climbing abilities and constant, automatic modulation of the gear ratio to quickly adapt to changes in grade. I expect that laws in most countries regarding use of motors on pedaled bikes will mean that we'll size the first SIVAT's for about 1,000 watts for all of those vehicles. It would be best that we have a minimum number of models of the SIVAT core, so one size only is a good starting point. Any new models would only be produced to fit demands for new applications in the marketplace.

The more immediate solution to getting better hill-climbing ability is to find lower gearing on your drive system unfortunately, this might mean that your top speeds on level streets will be lower. If your ricksha uses a derailleur drive, you might need to get special small sprockets for the pedal-crank end of your drive system, and then your front derailleur will need to be moved into a new position on the frame, likely lowered. Expect to be going uphill at very low speeds like 1-2 kph. At least you'll be pedaling fast enough (80-100 rpm) to produce the best result. If you're considering motor-assisted drive, the same principle applies you'll need a small sprocket on the motor with a big sprocket on the driven end.

Hopefully, I've given you enough clear information to help you solve your ricksha problem. If you have more questions or are still unclear about this, please let me know. I'm glad to help!

Cheers,

Barry from SIMKINETICS

Second communication

….. and thanx for reminding me about the European limit of 250 watts. In the United States, each of the fifty states has its own laws regarding that limit I think some states use a one-horsepower limit which is about 750 watts. If you add in pedaling power, you'll get 1,000 watts if you need it.

I suspect that when we start producing a SIVAT product, there will be a lot of publicity about it. It will be a revolutionary product that actually offers unfettered ability to adjust the gear ratio at all times for all ratios. Once the patent gets issued, I'll be able to publicly disclose how it works. The technology is intriguing enough to attract attention from Mechanics Illustrated and Popular Science magazines. I'm anticipating that it will become a popular transmission for various uses eventually. You'll likely notice when we get the second prototype tested & proven successfully. I'm guessing that we'll get to that this year. I'll produce another YT video ahowing the bicyclist in action going up hills with varying grades. I'll post the video on my channel with promotion by similar key words that will link to Google Search as before. If I forget to remind you, just keep looking at my channel every month or so later this year.

Most likely we'll actually make some test prototypes before we get the design to function exactly like we want it to. Making a machine to work well in the real world can take some tweaking here and there. I'd like to get it working exactly like I know it can before we make the video. I don't anticiate anything slowing the development process down, but one cannot anticipate everything. There are some things about the concept that are not thoroughly tested yet, but I know that most problems at this level are solved with good engineering. I'm very confident that we'll get the SIVAT to be a fine transmission, I'm just not confident that it can be predicted as to when that will happen. My best guess is that we'll be product ready late next year. We want it to be really good when we sell it if that takes longer, I won't rush it."

Looks fantastic - let's hope it's out sooner rather than later!

Contact

Via YouTube channel: inglese66

Angus Kirk

email: [mailto:kirk66@osp.it?subject=Rickshaw%20project%20at%20PESWiki.com kirk66@osp.it]

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