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    Top 10 Clean Energy Lists by Others - When I proposed my short list for top 10 consideration last month, several other free energy industry experts, including Jim Dunn, David Yurth, Joel Garbon, and Ken Rauen, chimed in with their own lists of favorites. What about you? Do you know of one that should be listed? (Examiner; Jan. 16, 2010)

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  • Comments on the Jan. 10, 2010 announcement of the videos being posted from the presentation.
  • Comments on the Dec. 21, 2009 announcement of the upcoming conference and the seeking input for the top 10 listing.

Top 10 Lists by Others

Jim Dunn's List

On December 22, 2009 5:40 AM Mountain, Jim Dunn wrote:

Sterling – Although I am not a member of NEC, I suggest that the technologies you mention have all at least reached a ‘Proof of Concept’ stage, and appear to be scalable to a reasonable level of performance to be of significant benefit to the planet.

It might be worth taking a moment and asking each of the candidate inventors or companies involved to provide you a summary of their current state of progress, and reason why they should be included.

I would certainly not include items like Mike Brady’s Perendev motor, or Mark Goldes’ ‘virtual’ but undemonstrated devices, or Timothy’s un-validated generators, and limit Boyce’s technology to one mention, if at all. This might actually be a good time to update the ‘Top 100’ list and see if there are not more appropriate technologies to consider than some of the ones you suggested. Perhaps the Papp device might be a candidate, over the Mitey motor, for instance, since it has less emissions.

My personal list of Hot Energy technology areas of interest for the future includes the following:

1 - New Ultralow cost ways to ‘Print’ efficient PV cells and panels on many substrates, including plastic or simple roofing/siding materials, like Nanosolar’s;

2 – New cost effective ways to harness ocean and wave power, with rapid growth of Hydrokinetic systems for ‘Run of River’ energy conversion, like FreeFlow power;

3 – New ways to harness Atmospheric Energy, including a host of derivatives of Tesla’s work in this area, like Tesla-based and pyramidal power converters.

4 - New Radiation free ways to produce ‘fusion’ power directly from materials like Boron and Hydrogen such as Eric Lerner’s Dense Plasma Fusion Reactor at Lawrenceville Plasma Physics.

5 – New ways to directly convert Heat to Electricity, like Peter Haglestein’s low cost high efficiency system, and new devices from co’s like PowerChip in the UK

6 – Novel new HIGH POWER Nuclear Batteries, based on Paul Brown’s work, with more current control and safety systems,

7 – Advanced Energy Storage technologies like EEStor’s ultracaps, and new small scale Compressed Air Energy Storage systems, and

8 – Biomass energy sources like Algae for producing liquid fuels, including Aviation and logistical fuels

Of these areas, Heat to Electric power offers huge near term potential as we have unlimited waste heat and current devices are still very inefficient, particularly solid state ‘Seebeck/Peltier’ type devices, at only 10% efficiency.

2010 is clearly going to be a pivotal year as all of the planets energy needs start to come into focus with concerns over global warming and climate change and new ‘Carbon Taxes’

Jim Dunn
Energy Technology Consultants

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On December 23, 2009 2:53 PM Mountain, Sterling D. Allan replied:

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the time you put into this reply.

One thing you perhaps missed in the presentation on the page is that this is not a "Top mainstream renewables" list but an "exotic free energy technologies" list, which for the most part will not include things like solar, wind, and most of the other technologies in your suggested list. The purpose is to bring to people's attention those technologies that don't get much attention but which have a significant glimmer of hope that if the right talent were brought to bear they could really change the energy landscape.

The audience I'll be addressing is far outside the box and thus would be more amenable to considering some of the more exotic technologies.

David Yurth's Top 10

On December 24, 2009 1:22 PM, David G. Yurth wrote:

Hi Sterling.

First, thanks for all your great work this past year. As you know I tend to prefer to focus my time and resources on projects that are both practical and demonstrable. Seems to me we have a number of excellent candidates to choose from in your presentation. I fully concur with Jim Dunn’s recommendation that no emerging technology should be touted unless it can be supported by documentation which shows that the proposed IP is both practical and actually functional. This will eliminate a whole raft of nonsensical devices that are neither practical nor technically viable. Here is my top ten list, not necessarily in this order:

  1. Electronically Shaded Glass: This patented technology uses a combination of leading edge transparent, electrically conductive thin film technologies to produce a coated glass system which is transparent at rest [unlike Smart Glas and others which can only be rendered transparent with the application of a biased voltage across the field] and becomes increasingly non-transmissive with the application of a varied voltage, down to less than 98% transmissivity. The prototype reflects 100% infrared and absorbs up to 100% ultraviolet depending on operator selection. Panels made of this kind of glass have been shown to reduce heat build up as the result of radiant heat absorption by 40%-60%. It has also been integrated with a transparent sheet of chemically deposited photovoltaic material to provide many times the amount of power needed to drive the window functions, so that it is also part of a net energy producing application which could turn all the surfaces of a building into a power producing envelope.
  2. Power Producing Thin Films: Referred to as Ceramic Electrodynamic Wafer Technologies, thin films of less than 50 nm thickness [10 – 12 atoms] using doped oxides of Zinc doped with other materials and intercalated with nano-particles of electron-emitting materials produce continuous voltage and amperage without consuming any fuel, relying on any radioactive decay or waste stream cycles. Laminated together and connected in series and parallel, this technology is demonstrable, scalable, totally self-sustaining and absolutely safe for both the environment and those who rely on it for power production.
  3. Carbon Nano-tube Fuel Cells: The Japanese are beating our brains out on this technology but forward-looking companies like 3M are closing the gap with their new MEA fuel cells. By increasing surface area using nano-scaled applications the net rates of both effectiveness and efficiency can be exponentially increased. Devices based on these technologies are working now and will become ubiquitously available within the next five years. They are critical to the development evolution of stand-alone sefl-sustaining and evironmentally benign energy production systems.
  4. Stoichiometric Hydrogen Generators: Bob Boyce’s advances represent the pinnacle of electrolytic systems used to produce what is commonly referred to as Brown’s Gas. The problem with this sort of technology is that the waste stream caused by the extremely hazardous materials used to drive electrolysis constitute a much bigger problem than the one they solve. The South Koreans own the water front on industrial applications using this technology – their units are 40% more efficient than the best made anywhere else in the world, but they are big, expensive and require extreme care during operation to prevent outgassing and accidental contamination. New technologies such as those being developed by NanoEnergy which produce Brown’s Gas without resorting to chemical electrolytes solve this problem. When coupled with integrated systems such as the skate-board type chassis designed by GM in their newest offering called the Vestra, this system eliminates the need for stored hydrogen [which will never be either technically feasible or generally reliable for consumer use], the kGas Generator by NanoEnergy will provide hydrogen on demand without the intrinsic danger of chemical contamination. When couple with advanced fuel cell technologies, systems can be developed which use water to provide hydrogen gas in a way that produces plenty of power to drive transportation [and other applications] with zero waste.
  5. Thermal Electric Polymers: Solar Road leads the pack in this category as far as I can tell. Their multi-layered radiant heat to electric power thick film polymeric layers convert radiant heat to power 2.5 times as efficiently as PV technologies. Houses fitted with SR roofing tiles, for example, would generate 3-5 more power than needed to drive all their domestic requirements and pour power back into the grid. This is a real and scalable technology with very high practicality and viability quotients.
  6. Wind Power: The problem with current wind turbine technologies is that they are insane. The use of a 90:1 gearbox to convert 20 rpm shaft speeds to 1,800 rpm generator input shaft speeds is simply nuts. The fact that wind is variable, of low energy density and so on means that a means must be developed to convert wind to both realtime power when the wind is blowing and store some of the wind in an efficient manner for use when the wind is not blowing. Several strategies have been attempted with little or no success. This is mostly due to the fact that developers have ignored the fact that air pressure and air temperature in a closed pressure vessel are measures of precisely the same dynamics. NovaWind has developed an integrated system which revisits the Bob Neal engine using 21st Century technologies, VitroPerm EM materials, Litz wire, stacked generator modules, high efficiency Roots Blowers, and other leading edge materials and technologies to create an integrated system which is capable of delivering power from wind 24/7. This approach is scalable, demonstrable, cost effective and energy efficient in the extreme.
  7. Super-conductive Materials & Technologies: The guys at MIT have demonstrated that super-compressed manganite materials demonstrate persistent super-conductivity at room temperatures. When integrated with thin film materials which have been shown to generate significant wattage on a continuous, uninterrupted basis across a broad range of temperatures, this substrate material facilitates power production at rates which have never been achieved before. This technology ranks up there with the most important discoveries of the 21st Century because it alters the landscape with regard to capturing ion flow and harnessing the magnetic potential which drives it.
  8. Self-Recharging Super-Capacitors/ Energy Accumulators: As early as 1936 the Japanese were using self-recharging capacitors to power all their communications devices in the field during their wars with China and North Koreans, prior to the onset of WWII in the Pacific. The use of this simple, easily replicable and totally scalable technology to drive a whole warehouse full of small and medium-scale applications has been overlooked and neglected for more than 60 years. 21st Century materials technologies render this IP even more significant than it was 60 years ago because we can build ceramets that are both extremely powerful and very long lived without using any radioactive isotopes with decay cycles to drive our energy requirements. We have been building and experimenting with these devices for years so we know they work. They are inexpensive to make, safe to use, consume no fuel and emit no waste stream. Since 1951 the I.N. Frantsevich Institute For Problems of Materials Science in the Ukraine has been producing and using a wonderful carbon-lattice energy accumulator technology with a demonstrable energy density of more than 1060 watt-hours per kilogram. This IP has never made its way to the marketplace because it has been rigorously suppressed, but it is the answer to all the battery issues. Nano-technologies which were not available to the Soviets could render this IP even more efficient than it was 20 years when we used it for demonstration purposes. The fact that it has been demonstrated to exhibit energy densities equal to or higher than the energy conversion ratios for gasoline and low sulfur diesel suggests that this technology alone would make EV’s more than competitive with gasoline powered hybrid vehicle technologies of any description.
  9. Nuclear Remediation Technologies: Nuclear power is being touted again as the next-best Green energy production technology because it produces no CO2. The waste stream produced by nuclear power plants is still fundamentally unmanageable in the absence of a robust, on-site, environmentally safe waste treatment system. That such technologies exist is not a mystery. That no one has yet been permitted to introduce such a system into the nuclear fission power production design process is also widely documented. When/as/if this sort of technology using whatever means may eventually be adopted can be introduced into the power production cycle, then nuclear power can be safely and ubiquitously used. Until then, I will continue to resist its use by whatever means I can find whenever and wherever it is proposed or considered.
  10. Thorium-based Electrical Power Generation: In 1951 Wm Teller designed and widely distributed a proposal for the construction and operation of nuclear power production system based entirely on Thorium-233. In his design the power plant required no mitigating nuclear pile components because Th-233 cannot achieve criticality on its own without the presence of U-235. Such a design has now been put into actual operation at INEEL and Los Alamos by Dr. Peterson and others. Th-233 power production in the 10 -20 MW range is now viable in a way that eliminates the danger of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island while at the same time providing a source of power that can be built into a self-sustaining module which is buried in the ground in a vault and allowed to operate without maintenance for up to 300 years. Why the hell aren’t we using this technology already?


One more thought while I’m at it. Jim Dunn’s response identifies an extremely important issue that has not been adequately addressed in our prior discussions. Capital is available to drive new energy production technologies but the people who have the money do not understand and are not competent to evaluate most of the technologies, inventions and innovations that are being proposed to them. What is needed more than anything now is a resource which can be relied on to evaluate and certify the functionality and verifiable viability of proposed new energy technologies. The New Energy Congress could work together to create a Technology Certification Bureau which would be paid to test, verify and certify proposed new energy technologies on behalf of capital investors. The NEC certification would provide investors with a way of preserving their capital by eliminating the risks associated with investing in b.s. technologies proposed by people who are either incompetent or exploitive or both. No one provides this service now in any meaningful, publicly available way. NEC has among its members some of the most competent, well-informed people on the planet in this and related fields. Why not find a way to harness this core competency to drive NEC’s agendas by providing an essential service?

Respectfully submitted.

D. Yurth

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On December 24, 2009 1:30 PM Mountain, Sterling D. Allan replied:

Hi David,

Thanks for your great input. [...]

Both you and Jim seemed to miss the part about "exotic" in the title of my presentation. Our general Top 100 listing is designed to feature technologies that include the criteria you suggest; which rules out many of the technologies in my "exotic" list. [...]

Dave, I particularly like your suggestion of the NEC establishing a testing/verifying laboratory and would hope that something along these lines could begin to materialize this year. Ken Rauen would make a good one to be involved on the technical end of such a lab.

The problem as I see it is that the kinds of technologies that we review are so diverse. To expect one lab to be able to have the array of equipment to properly test such technologies is really not feasible. What would make more sense is to establish strategic relationships with universities that have the right kind of equipment, around the planet, so that travel needs are not an issue, and neither are equipment needs.

In the New Energy Movement (.org), one of our goals for this year is to finally see actualized a situation where affiliate organizations display a banner on their site publicly acknowledging their involvement in the movement.

What we could do is establish a public and private database of partner institutions and personnel who are friendly to exotic technologies and able and willing to serve in a validating/testing/advisory capacity.


Ken Rauen's Environmental Heat Engine

On December 24, 2009 11:40 AM, Ken Rauen wrote [Regarding Directory:Rauen Environmental Heat Engine ]:

I find it perplexing that something like Sterling's impending Hawaii visit makes no mention of my work. How are any of the Top 100 frontier physics items any further along than mine? (I really do want an answer to this.) The science of the Proell effect thermodynamics is DONE, and experimental evidence exists. Any observations on your part? Where are people's consciousness at? I just don't get it. Any of you others, copied in this email, are welcome to join in; it is a common effort to get something to take the place of coal, oil, and uranium. I gave a DEMONSTRATION at the Extraordinary Technology Conference in '06 and NO ONE has approached me about the potential of this new science! Is anyone awake??? Is the technology not "sexy" enough for our Attention Deficit Disorder society? What is going on? I'm really dumbfounded. The world wants free energy; it's in front of their noses, they don't see it, and they dream on about ZPE...

Ken

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On December 24, 2009 4:06 PM; Terry Sisson responded:

Hi Ken,

I think of you as a brother in the movement, so I am taking some of my limited time to address some of your deep-seated concerns.

Most of us are in NEM because we dream of some day that a clean and inexpensive technology will surface and spread throughout the world. However, we are all looking for something that is real and tangible too. As for me, I am buried deep in just getting our online software completed for MadeByKIDS. I am sure Sterling is even worse off than me with the technology bombardment.

It is quite unfair to say we not awake at the wheel. You could say we are busy with our lives and simultaneously being bombarded with promising technologies. The last time I remember talking about the Proell effect was when we were together and I went home to investigate it some more. So you might refer to the old saying, “Out of sight, out of mind,” is a better estimation of what is occurring. There is another side of the equation that many of the people in the NEM are not physicists, scientists or technologists. While we may have great knowledge in many areas, it is surely not in all areas We tend to favor what we understand or have a passion.. I can personally tell you that thermodynamics is not my expertise and I favor electrostatic or magnetic systems. Obviously, thermodynamics and the Proell effect is your preference. So please understand that many of us don’t understand the Proell effect nor its benefits, yet we are more than eager to learn from a demonstration that proves its benefits. Least to say, if it appears like it could save the world, then I can assure you that we would become extremely interested.

Please understand that we all have our own cross to bear in this movement. In your communication, I suggest you try to view it from our perspective and cut us some slack, rather than wondering if we are asleep at the wheel. Remember, we are sincerely committed to the New Energy Movement and doing the best we can with what we got. We have seen hundreds of inventions, most often their development is more advanced than at the concept level, and we gravitate towards the ones that provide the most positive experimental evidence. Please keep us abreast of your progress by sending us photos of working prototypes along with any validation. We are always anxious for good news! [...]

Terry Sisson

Roger Stringham's sonofusio

On December 28, 2009 10:58 AM Mountain, Joel Garbon wrote:

Hi Sterling,

Sorry for tha late response to your request for technology suggestions. I recommend that Roger Stringham's sonofusion be included because:

  1. . His work is peer-reviewed
  2. . He has presented his work to both the American Chemical Society and the American Physical Society annual conferences this past year.
  3. . 15 watts input electrical power generates 40 watts of heat (nearly 3 times OU)
  4. . Experiments are replicable and give consistent results.
  5. . He has a good theory.
  6. . He needs about $800,000 and a small tiger team of young technical assistants to help him run through some basic experiments aimed at improving material robustness and power yield/density.
  7. . He lives in Kauai and so would appeal to local audience.

[...] He would be a good candidate for Free Energy Now interview. You would do well to arrange a visit with him while in Hawaii...go to Kauai.

You can find some slides on him and sonofusion is my presentation which I have sent you in the past.

Good luck in Hawaii!

Joel

GIFNET

On January 14, 2010 1:16 AM Mountain, Giulio Rugarli <giuliorugarli {at} gmail.com> wrote:

First of all thank you for your great work and service to humanity.

Then one quick question: how comes there is almost no mentioning at all in your advertising the most promising technologies (best 10 or more) about GIFNET, their work on the MAHG and especially their claim for it to have already reached a COP > 11? Talking about COP, that would make the work of Steorn look like so far behind ...

Thanks,

Giulio Rugarli
Milan
Italy

Akoil

On December 26, 2009 2:59 AM Mountain, M.K. wrote:

There is a company in Russia, named Akoil http://www.akoil.de , that produces free energy devices with capacity from 1MW up to 100MW which You can buy now.

However their previous devices - VHG - were blind road, their new technology "ffphs" seems to be a breakthrough. They say it`s based on Tesla`s inventions. There is some information that makes me sure iit`s not a hoax. Surely worth investigating !

Greetings

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Sterling D. Allan notes in response:

In response to this and other tips about Akoil, I asked my New Energy Congress associates what their take was on Akoil at this point. Nearly every response was one of deep caution, and not wanting their specific instances cited to be published. On Jan. 4, 2010, I updated our page on them accordingly.

Kanarev, Wang Shum Ho?

On February 02, 2010 8:53 AM Mountain, Richard Liendo, O.G.,Tx, wrote:

Very interesting new article and selection of technologies. I was surprised to see that prof karnarov and his plasma electrolysis didnt make it and what about the Wang,shum ho magnet motor? Just curious . I've also been anxious for an update on james hunt and his akvo company I believe it is called as well as the passive electrolysis alloys. Keep up the great work !

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