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Next Test: Check for Degaussing

On Jan. 4, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Mark Dansie wrote:

Looks impressive -- better than anything I have seen. Next test would be see if any degaussing happens.

Acceleration is a Breakthrough

On Jan. 5, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Sterling D. Allan wrote:

Achieving acceleration from just magnets interacting, as appears to be the case here, is truly remarkable. It certainly isn't ready for market; not close; but it is proof of concept that magnets can provide motive force. That is groundbreaking.

The next thing will be to show that no degaussing is taking place. For this to be a valuable effect, not just interesting science, you need to show that the acceleration is not at the expense of magnets loosing their strength through some new scientific discovery.

Constant Attraction Achieved

On Jan. 9, 2008, Robert Calloway (http://www.callowayengines.com) wrote:

After studying this design further, it seems a serious break through has been found by these guys. The rotating stator magnet(s) allow the (diametrically placed) rotor magnets to obtain pure attraction through out the whole rotor rotation process. Repel has been eliminated in this design. The north pole of the rotor magnet is attracted to the south pole of the stator magnet. As the (diametrically placed) rotor magnet bloch wall approaches, the north pole of the stator magnet flips around to attract the south pole of the rotor magnet. Drag is only felt in the exit process. This is easily overcome by the other properly placed stator magnets. Magnetic flux depletion is of no concern in this design. Repel hammering is what kills magnets. There is no repel in this sweet design, only pure attraction. Simple harnessing of electron spin.

Build It And They Will Come

On Jan. 6, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Todd Hathaway wrote:

It's easy enough to reproduce - so build it yourself and post your own videos of this proof of concept model.

Need to Rule out Saturation

On Jan. 5, 2008, User:Legendre wrote:

Incidentally, it's not only important to analyze the magnetic elements for possible degaussing, but also for possible saturation or supersaturation.

Unconfirmed: Something apparently causes the device to stop every few hours, though it may be immediately restarted. If so, the mechanism behind this odd behavior must be understood. I would tend to guess that the magnets are becoming saturated, and require a bit of relaxation time before the mechanism can again operate.

Very Significant

On Jan. 5, 2008, New Energy Congress advisor, Jim Dunn wrote:

This is very significant.

Cool Head is Good

On Jan. 5, 2008, RunningBare wrote (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3871.msg68159#msg68159):

I for one hope they both keep their feet on the ground and continue to research and experiment before they start shouting OU or similar. But I gotta admit, I'm very excited about this!

A too dark clip

On Jan. 5, 2008, User:Niente wrote:

Maybe I'm repeating myself, but here we have another "bad quality video". Shot in the dark and zoomed too close to see the whole machine.

If one really built such a motor, why to document it in such a bad way?

I'm not saying that it is surely a hoax, but in these conditions a tiny wire and an electric motor can be hidden with little effort.

I'm saying only that it isn't so difficult to shot a clear video of the running machine, so where is it? ;-)

Hidden Drive Motor

On Jan. 5, 2008, S.S. wrote by email:

Has anyone else noticed the little red light blinking on the "dark side" upper part of the image on the video ? There is a reason why he has poor lighting on 2 sides - - - it's the little drive motor he has driving the thing . . . go figure.

See what happens when you ask him to upload a video with all 4 sides well lighted . . .

Reply to "Hidden Drive Motor"

On Jan. 7, 2008, User:Sephiroth wrote:

I would like to point out to the person who sent in a comment by email that the little red light you see is obviously the laser tacheometer! I am not saying that it is not driven by a motor... we will not know until it is replicated... just don't let your eyes show you what you want to see. You have to be objective.

Best Magnet Motor Video Yet

On Jan. 8, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Ken Rauen wrote:

Fascinating! This is the BEST video recording I have seen of a magnet motor! When it gets going (through several tries), it actually accelerates!!! The trials show friction-related losses, which makes the demonstration even more convincing.

Asymmetry is Critical

On Jan. 9, 2008, <prophmaji {at} hotmail.com> wrote:

In the case of the magnet motor, it is likely that the asymmetry is critical.

Follow the original exactly.

Then figure out what it is doing.

Symmetrically laid out 'copies' are likely to never work, or show the basic effect, at all.

As near as I can figure, the asymmetry is key, ie, keeping the magnetic field 'squirting' (like a wet seed) past the stick point, and that requires a lack of balance to work, not balance.

Note the secondary pair that were stopped are NOT symmetrical in their positions. They are obviously still influencing the system, assisting the field like it is being squirted, or tumbled down a hill.

Sort like in one orientation..thump..thump..squirt! -repeat (squirt!-by the counter-rotating magnet- this is where the majority of the 'over unity' action is), where speed of rotation is overcoming just a HAIR of 'lightspeed' mechanics of the field.

As well, you have a ROTATING AC field there with the counter rotation magnet, with a non-liner component with respects to orientation and field strength, and rotation. This is what catapults you slightly, just by a HAIR past the mass-speed-field constants (which aren't really 'the limit' just a very high number). As we well know, in lightspeed electro-mass terms, all we need is a small amount of egress. E=MC^2, and all that.

And there it is.

Battery-Power

On Jan. 11, 2008, Brian Hafner <brimichl {at} yahoo.com> wrote:

If you want to figure out if this thing works take two D.C. motors with two variable power supplies. Monitor the current vs. rpm. If it works then you will find a spot where the current goes to a negative amount. But my feeling is that this is a bogus setup. If you look at the brightened version, you will see that on the third try, he spins the stator magnet only once and pulls his hand away unlike the first two. Then the motor starts. You could easily put a hard drive motor battery and remote under the solid colored disk.

(OT) Prototyping New Idea

I have been reading up on this idea since joining PES Wiki a couple of days ago, I see there have been thousands of comments made along the way.

I think asymmetry is the key too, as that is the idea in my magnet motor. It stands to reason that a symmetrical system would find a comfy place and rest there. Just thinking of a simple simple version it's like a magnetic compass. There has to be some way of splitting a circle into divisions that the magnets can't get comfy with.

Can someone here tell me how to get my idea prototyped? >>> Perpetually Rotating Bar Magnet Arrangement <<<

Phonicboom 06:29, 10 Jan 2008 (EST)

Will this go the distance? Who will we thank?

On Jan. 12, 2008, Alex Stevens <alexardm {at} yahoo.com> wrote:

It would seam that the team of OVERCONFIDENT (inventor) and ALSETALOKIN (replicator) have developed a Permanent Magnet Motor proto-type (of thier own design) that RUNS, (quite well as per the video).....

This new posted development (the O.C. M.P.M.M.) has ignited the interest of many people,(those who are currently working on thier (non-operational) prototypes;those who have,in the past, built thier own non-operational proto- types (and have given up);and those who would like to in some way become involved in the development and construction of there own P.M.M. (knowing and understanding the risks involved in the persute of such an undertaking).

What Overconfident and Alsetalokin have done, dose not exactly surprise me. They apparently have jointly, INVENTED THE UNINVENTABLE ,probably knowing HOW it works (basicly),but not knowing WHY it works (scientificly)..

It would be nice "IF" at this point in time,they would allow a team of EXPERTS access to thier prototype for evaluation.It would seam that's unlikely at this time.

After going through ALL the information I could find within your Newsletter Report, it leaves me with the following:

1.For reasons Overconfident and Alsetalokin can only explain,they chose to keep thier identities(at this time) secret...as well as to where the O.C. M.P.M.M. is currently being kept under lock and key....

2.They have taken it upon themselves to release to the world THIER INVENTION,along with enough information to come very close to replicating thier existing prototype.They make no mention of modifying or taking there design to a higher level. (this would be an option on there part) They also make no mention of applying for Patent Protection or to persue it's development as a commercial product, and i'm sure they know that there are people in the position to go forward (based upon THIER existing work), "IF", they could build a successfull replication,or gain access (for study and analysis) of the existing prototype,or better yet to gain possession of it (the O.C. M.P.M.M.) from the owner........I'm sure the INVENTOR and REPLICATOR know quite well what they have accomplished and perhaps with that they didn't,so to speak, fully understand, the consequences of thier actions.(building IT in the first place,then casting it out into the PUBLIC DOMAIN by using the Internet......... Perhaps at this point in time THEY wish that they didn't let the; GENIE OUT OF THE LAMP

Is there a future for the advacement of the O.C. M.P.M.M. ????????????

Will there ever be a Scientific Evaluation conducted upon IT to prove it, not to be in any way a HOAX ?????????????

Will the true identities of the Inventor and Replicator ever be known, so THEY could be properly accredited for thier joint Technical Accomplishment ????????

How many uniquely gifted people at this point in time are pooling thier resources together to replicate the O.C. M.P.M.M. based upon infomation currently available off the Internet ??????????? (quite a few,I should think) Hopefully these people have already PONDERED THE POTENTIAL and are willing to accept the risks involved should they persue this endeavour.......... I'm sure this will be a daunting test on there collective abilities.

Writing as a person who spent 20 years , designing , building and modifying a prototype Permanent Magnet Engine (that never worked), I can fully appreciate the full scope of this "ELUSIVE QUEST"................

In closing I would like to say, that I wish everyone the best of luck who are working on new or, improved energy technologies (they will need it)..

MAY THE GODS BE WITH THEM

The story of the fate of the O.C. M.P.M.M. may become very interesting or like many inventions end up in the great abyss of suppression or just be allowed to become extinct, never to be seen again. I myself will be looking forward to see how this story develops..........(I'm sure you will too)

Sincerely,
Alexander Stevens
Inventor and Design Engineer
Amalgamated Research,Design&Machine Works

What Did They Expect?

On Jan. 19, 2008, d3adp00l wrote (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg71593.html#msg71593) regarding Al and OC's bizzare response to the attention they've gotten over this motor:

In all seriousness, if Al didn't expect what happened then he is an immature idiot. Seriously if one of you here was in his shoes, would you mind answering questions, thinking critically about the device, taking data reading documenting it all. Come on, what kind of a childish mentality must you have to behave the way he has. As far as the comparison to a secluded peaceful place, that comparison is bogus, he started on an open forum, not a private chat, it would be more like going down to the corner standing on a box, and talking, only when people actually standed to listen you got pissed off that they weren't ignoring you and ran away. Very simply get over yourself, and stop being a spoiled brat, this reminds me of when a young woman dresses very scantly, and then complains when people look at her.

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- OC MPMM Magnet Motor - main page
- Magnet Motors
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