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Magniwork free energy plans = bogus claim; say they'll remedy that - Magniwork has been selling a set of plans for a free energy device they say could be scaled to power an entire house. However, it turns out that the device is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit, which, though interesting, has never been embodied in a self-looped system with energy left over for practical use. They've apologized and removed the Bedini stuff. (PESWiki; June 2, 2009)
On Aug. 29, 2009, Will Goodlett wrote:
I read on their fraud sheet that a Alex Kirkham in Hereford Texas has made on of these things.
Hereford is nearby so I have found out the following...
- He owns no property in that county
- He has no telephone in Hereford (land line or cell)
- I have also asked a number of people that have lived there for many years and no one has ever heard of him...
Plans Avilable for Free Elsewhere
On Aug. 18, 2009, Rory wrote:
Don't waste your money - all the plans in the book are copied from these two pages, where you can get them for free:
- http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mi ni%20Romag%20Generator.htm
They have also changed some of original information, I suspect they have done this intentionaly to make it look easier to build it - finding an alloy with that exact composition may not be easy:
Q: What kind of material should be used for the brass rotor? A: You can use copper, zinc, tin, or lead, we recommend using copper.
Q1) What type of brass is used for the rotor?
A1) brass rotor made of 83% copper, 3% Zinc, 7% Tin and 7% Lead.
I don't know if this device works, but I'll bet they haven't even tried to build it themselves, or know anyone who has. Otherwise it would be obvious to have a video on their sites showing it working, instead of showing videos of other devices which has nothing to do with the Romag device at all.
The whole thing seem to be a very well thought out scam. They do however promise af full refund no questions asked, and I got my money back though I had to go to Clickbank to get them since they didn't respond to my email.
On August 16, 2009, Peter Lindemann wrote:
As for the Magniwork thing, B.P. sent me a copy of the booklet for my review. I told him the current version looks like a standard homemade generator, that probably has no special behaviors. [...] I think the claims, that an average person, without a machine shop and the skills to go with it, can build a generator based on the plans included in this manual, are not credible. I guess that makes it a scam. Having prototyped dozens of experimental motors and generators in the last 30 years, I seriously doubt if any of the testimonials on their "sell page" are genuine.
Fraudulent Company Should Not Have Clickbank Account
On June 30, 2009, Sterling D. Allan wrote:
I submitted the following at http://www.clickbank.com/reportproblem.html
I would like to report on a fraudulent product being promoted by vendor: Magniwork. See http://Magniwork.com
I have been in close communication with this company trying to bring them into honesty, but at this point have lost patience with them and feel that the community at large needs to be protected from their fraudulent representations.
I think they should lose their clickbank account.
I expose them as a "fraud" at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magniwork
First, they take plans for electromagnetic systems of interest then exaggerate the capabilities of these devices way beyond the truth.
Second, when they first came along at the first of the month, they were promoting plans and images which turn out to belong to John Bedini and Rick Friedrich. They were using these without permission. When I brought this to their attention, they then found another set of plans of a departed person and integrated these into their ebook. However, the later ones, like the first, do not result in a generator capable of powering anything, let alone a home, as their splash page suggests.
I am a free energy advocate, as you will see from our news at http://FreeEnergyNews.com, but I get frustrated with those who fraudulently promote technologies that do not work as claimed, and they know it.
Today I learned that at least two of the "testimonials" on their plash page are total fabrications. The people to whom they attribute these testimonials do not exist. In an attempt to track down the testimonials, this person called someone in the town&state with the last name given. That lady said that she knows all the people by that last name in that area, and there is no one by the name given.
Their advertising through Google AdSense is likewise fraudulent, making claims that are deceptive and totally incorrect.
Please shut down the magniwork account.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about this.
Just a Bedini Circuit
On May 31, 2009, Sterling D. Allan wrote:
It's definitely a Bedini's circuit, and is stated as such, as we have posted in our open source page at http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Bedini_SG
I would be very surprised if it actually results in a net energy gain. I never saw that in all the testing I did a few years back.
Rick Friedrick seems to believe that a net energy gain can be achieved using this system, but I've not yet seen (or understood?) the data that supports that claim. I don't know of anyone who has built a self-looped system that is practical.
Here's the crux of the system, quoting from the Magniwork plans:
- "Once the batteries are supercharged, place four batteries on the back end (charging), with one on the front end running the circuit. Once that battery has gone down to its 20% from full level, rotate one of the four batteries on the back end into the front. The sequence of rotation should be one of taking turns so that the one on the back side that has been there the longest goes to the front side. You can repeat this procedure for six months without ever having to externally charge the system. Bear in mind that your success in achieving this may be determined first by finding the optimal window of performance for your particular set-up."
Whenever I rotated the batteries through the system, there was a net energy loss in the system.
Yes, there have been hundreds of replications of this system, but I don't know anyone who is using even one system to provide a continuous net energy gain from one of them.
At best, these plans are being promoted by someone who is a sloppy optimist and hasn't done his homework.
A question I would like to ask the person selling these plans is: "Are you running your home 100% using this technology?" I bet the answer is, "not yet." I would even bet that he's not running anything with it.
Their recommendation of discharging the battery to 20% before switching it will quickly destroy most batteries, which shouldn't be discharged below 80%.
'Glad I Saw Your Page Before Buying
On July 04, 2009, M.M. wrote:
I just want to thank you for the article on the MagniWork self perpetuating generator. I had considered buying their plans, but decided to look into it a little myself. Over several days of searching the net I could not find anyone who actually built this thing, and used it to power anything. Still I was compelled to buy [their] plans, because I could not find any negative reviews on it either. Then I ran across your article, and you confirmed what I suspected (you know that nagging at the back of your mind), that it was just a scam. Thanks again for your article and research.
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