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On June 14, 2008, Todd Hathaway, an active duty Army Major who provided MPI via Mark Goldes a short-term bridge loan in 2006 in the amount of $55K that went into default that same year, a loan that was signed over to another non-accredited third party in 2007 with the option to convert the loan to MPI stock, wrote:
As of June 14, 2008, complaints have been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commision (SEC) to investigate alleged fraudulent investment activities. Persons who have information related to this matter may forward information to the following:
SEC Complaint Center, 100 F Street NE, Washington, D.C. 20549-0213. You can also send a fax to 202-772-9295. Please reference Magnetic Power, Inc., 301 N Main St # A, Sebastopol, CA 95472, in your correspondence.
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Anyone with information regarding this matter may also contact info@sci-us.org if you do not feel comfortable contacting a government entity, or you may submit an email to my attorney in DC (my brother in law who lives down the street from the SEC) directly at maccoby {at} aol.com."
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- Rebuttal by Mark Goldes (June 14, 2008)
- (Response A): MPI is a private firm. The SEC has no jurisdiction over private companies. Therefore, [the] statement that we are under investigation by the SEC is libel.
- --Penny Gruber 02:45, 17 Jun 2008 (EDT) Todd has not libeled either you or MPI. Just try and file a defamation complaint and see how fast you end up stuck with the bill under a 425.16 Motion to Strike.
- (Response B): Although MPI is a private firm. I see that I was mistaken, the SEC does have jurisdiction if private firms have not complied with the requirements, as I believe we have, under exemptions. This complaint resulted from a long overdue loan. I do not believe there was any such violation. There has never been fraud on the part of our firm.
- --Penny Gruber 02:45, 17 Jun 2008 (EDT) The solicitation for sale or sale of securities to the public without an effective registration statement is against the law. Leave it to qualified securities attornies to determine whether your incessant pandering for investment on the internet qualifies as a public solicitation.''
- Mark Goldes: Our securities lawyer has advised MPI on such matters for years.
- --Penny Gruber 08:49, 23 Jun 2008 (EDT)That may become something he regrets. The SEC has prosecuted a number of attorneys for their participation in sales of unregistered securities, and security frauds.
On June 14, 2008, an MPI associate wrote, "I think that it is provable that Mark raised money from unsophisticated people, including some investors, and a lot of creditors via the use of convertible stock, with a total disregard for anything but his personal wants and needs. Let me know if there is anyway I can help, now that it’s started."
- Mark Goldes: MPI has never raised money primarily for my personal wants or needs.
- --Penny Gruber 04:43, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT) The "MPI associate" begs to differ. How much personal compensation have you drawn from: Aesop, MPI, ROOTS / RTS?
The same MPI associate previously stated that MPI defaulted on several hundred thousand dollars in loans in 2007 alone. This person also previously stated that he/she was unaware of any technology developed by MPI to be "over unity" as the term is commonly recognized by the scientific community, a statement made in 2007 when MPI/ROOTS had already received millions in funding, a total amount that is now approaching $10 million since MPI/ROOTS's inception, which affords MPI's willingness to sue skeptics like NEC member, Eric Kreig.
- Mark Goldes: MPI has had Over Unity technology since December of 2004. We have demonstrated such technology to several scientists and engineers under NDA.
- We have never threatened to sue Eric Krieg, who I believe tries his best and serves a useful function.
- --Penny Gruber 04:43, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)Your fraudulant claims of OU are belied by your refusal to submit to qualified third party test. There is not one qualified scientist or engineer who has ever tested your claimed devices and corroborated your OU claims. In fact Lee Felsenstein's testimonial specifically disclaims OU.
Based on the information presented by MPI personnel, NEC member Eddie Sines and former NEC member Todd Hathaway also concluded in 2007 that MPI does not have "over unity" technology, as the term is commonly recognized by the scientific community. MPI's consistent claims of over unity devices have been ongoing for many years. The NEC wiki pages listing MPI and its claims continue to lend MPI credibility at the expense of investors, as the "Magnetic Power Inc. has created several Over Unity prototype devices." statement below proves.
- Mark Goldes: Eddie Sines has never visited an MPI lab and knows nothing of our technology. He is a competitor, with an invention that we have felt is unlikely to function without contributions beyond his own.
- --Penny Gruber 04:43, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)That's just more obfuscation and misdirection typical of you. It is not necessary for one to visit your lab to determine you have been pitching bunk. When this likely goes to adjudication, no judge or jury will need to visit your lab.
The debate on what exactly MPI has available to demonstrate would end with a live demonstration on http://www.justin.tv/mpi_demo free of charge to MPI, with an unscreened call-in number posted on MPI's web site to answer any questions that outside parties would have about the devices claimed below during the live demonstration; the call-in number would prove that it is MPI facilitating the demonstration and would show MPI's willingness (or lack thereof) to demonstrate what it has been claiming it has developed now for several years.
- Mark Goldes: MPI has every intention of submitting devices for independent test to laboratories of our own choosing under NDA. We have also been invited to submit units to a National Laboratory and intend to do that as well.
- --Penny Gruber 04:43, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)That recurrent lie of yours is belied by your failure to do so week after week, year after year.
A hearty thanks to all who have already provided significant information - other options are also being considered through the appropriate legal channels to ensure that this scenario does not happen to other people. Of the dozen researchers/companies who were provided funding over the years, this is the only instance where such actions were warranted, and this was not the largest contribution to a researcher/company...
Latest Correspondence
April 23, 2008
Magnetic Power Inc. has created several Over Unity prototype devices.
"2009 The first quantum generators (tapping space energy) are developed. Available in portable and household units, from a few kilowatts upwards, they can produce electricity indefinitely. Central power stations close down: the age of pylons ends." A prediction made by the late Sir Arthur Clarke in 2001.
The first solid-state generator, reflected in the posted patent application on our website, exceeded unity by a very large margin. However, it was at an extremely low power level. The device has developed an internal short circuit, or possibly a crack in the core, that prevents it from continuing to function. Developing it commercially has proven to be a surprisingly difficult task. In the future, this invention will be the subject of a second, future, patent application that will reveal details necessary to produce it in a manner that can function Over Unity. That project is on a back burner, as in trying to simplify the construction, entirely new and different families of potentially practical generators have emerged.
An example is the work referred to in a Proof-of-Concept (but not Over Unity) device in Lee Felsenstein's article on our website. We currently refer to these very different generators as POWERGENIE™ (Power Generation of Electricity by Nondestructive Interference of Energy) devices. A patent is pending and is the first of several new applications that will be filed on variations of this new technology.
A POWERGENIE prototype has been OU. A high energy density prototype appears capable of eventually becoming one possible candidate for the replacement of batteries and fuel-burning engines. One goal is to turn cars, trucks and buses into power plants, capable of supplying perhaps 100 to 150 kW to the local utility, when parked over a suitably equipped parking place. This would allow future cars to become a source of income rather than an expense. Existing technology will allow the wireless transfer of up to 150 kW to the grid. It can also be used to allow cars to transmit 10 kW to a home, when parked over a suitable wireless connection plate, perhaps one square foot in size. Future cars, selling power to the local power company, may pay for themselves over a reasonable period of time.
Another prototype, of a different design, may provide a near-term, solid-state, self-runner. This presently appears to be one possible candidate for the 1 kW generator that has long been an MPI goal.
Four different devices in the Mechanical Division laboratory have been repeatedly OU. However, the output is not electrical and the margins have not been sufficient to self-run. Prototypes of other designs appear to be good candidates for a self-runner having moving parts. The first goal of the Mechanical Division is Demonstration Devices and toys, capable of being mass produced. A second goal is a stand-alone self-powered room heater.
EarthTech International will be the first lab invited (at long last) to independently evaluate a self-sustaining device. An individual at a National Laboratory has asked us to bring such a prototype there as well. We continue to allow qualified individuals, who have signed NonDisclosure Agreements, to visit the laboratories and observe the work. Visitors have included engineers and scientists. Six multi-billion dollar domestic firms have signed NDAs. They include major electric power utilities.
MPI's subsidiary, Room Temperature Superconductors Inc. (RTS) is once again beginning to move forward. In addition to three issued U.S. Patents covering our polymer Ultraconductors™,, a very large pending application with 195 Claims is in the process of being divided into ten separate applications. RTS will be reintegrated into MPI in the coming months, as there is no longer any reason for it to be a separate corporation.
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Mark Goldes Chairman & CEO Magnetic Power Inc. 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95473
707 829-9391 direct 707 829-1002 fax
www.magneticpowerinc.com
Kudos
On April 30, 2006, User:Brokengun wrote:
I AM AMAZED! I CANNOT WAIT FOR MORE INFO ON THIS SUBJECT! GO MPI!
Skeptics
Mark Goldes Shifts the Bar Again and Again and Again
--Penny Gruber 07:29, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
It seems to only take a couple of days now for Mark Goldes to push out his milestones. He has now switched horses from the GENIE devices to claims of a Maxwell Demon, IE a device that redistributes ambient heat energy by creating rather than diminishing a temperature gradient. In other words, if you dropped one of these devices into the ocean, for perpetuity ice cubes would pop out one side, and steam the other. While promoting this device on
Energy Blog Posting (http://www.energyblogs.com/magneticpower/index.cfm/2008/5/28/SelfPoweredSystems---Cars-as-Power-Plants-can-soon-Recharge-Without-Plugs-or-Hybrid-Engines)
edit: As of 6/16 that blog was pulled. I have a PDF of it as it was published May 28, 2008.
It just tickles the heck out of me that in a digital age, some people think they can easily cover their tracks with the delete key.
Mark Goldes: The information is now contained in an updated Executive Summary on our site.
- --Penny Gruber 08:54, 23 Jun 2008 (EDT)Which does nothing to explain why you pulled your announcement from energyblogs
- Mark Goldes: The updated Executive Summary with the identical information appears on energyblogs.
- --Penny Gruber 03:20, 4 Jul 2008 (EDT)That is another lie. The 5/29 "updated Executive Summary" blog is on at least its second incarnation. Content of each version varies substantially from the 5/28 blog you pulled.
- Of the significant content that remains is the false claim: "This system has proven the capability to recharge batteries from heat extracted from the air." It comes as no surprise that you have not produced any evidence much less proof of that fantastical claim. When was this supposed proof generated? Who generated it? Who validated it? What was the basis of it? Where is it now?
- Mark Goldes: MPI has never claimed to have a device that functions due to Maxwell's Demon. We are working with devices that efficiently convert ambient heat into electricity. Ken Rauen, who is well known to readers of this website, invented and patented a mechanical device which converts the heat in ambient air into electricity.
- --Penny Gruber 08:54, 23 Jun 2008 (EDT)Ken Rauen has no such working device. Ken has theorized and patented a "super Carnot cycle" engine that he believes can operate at greater than theoretical Carnot cycle efficiency.
- Mark Goldes: He cites on this site a paper by Dudley, which showed that this could be done solid-state by utilization of Maxwell's pressure demon. We have cited the Dudley paper as it concludes with the following Summary:
- "Quantum mechanics provides an easy way to implement a version of Maxwell's pressure demon that produces electricity directly. This violation of the second law of thermodynamics means that there are possibly ways to extract useful quantities of energy directly from the thermal energy of a gas at room temperature. This may at some future date lead to devices that can operate on the temperature of the environment directly. Such devices should no longer be dismissed out of hand as impossible simply because they violate the second law of thermodynamics."
- Just as there continue to be various attempts to explain why ceramic superconductors superconduct, there are likely to be competing explanations of how ambient heat can be efficiently tapped as a source of energy. Dudley simply illustrates that such claims cannot be dismissed as impossible.
- --Penny Gruber 08:10, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)So you're just using someone else's speculation that a Maxwell Demon may someday work ( none ever has ) as a basis on which people should believe arbitrary woo-woo from you. It's a safe bet the: car, the golf cart, and that outboard motor are even more scarce than a very shy invisible flying pink unicorn.
- It is beyond absurd that you try to associate competing theories for actual real observed behaviors with the complete woo-woo you claim but fail to evidence.
- Mark Goldes: Those interested may enjoy the article by Dudley. It appeared in the magazine Infinite Energy a couple of years ago and is unrelated to the invention we are working with, except for the fact that it demonstrates that conversion of ambient heat to electricity is possible:
- Mark Goldes: http://www.execonn.com/maxwell/maxwells_demon.html
- --Penny Gruber 09:50, 20 Jun 2008 (EDT)Your claim of fact is a bald faced lie. Dudley only speculates. No one including Dudley has demonstrated conversion of ambient heat to electricity.
- Readers may get an even bigger enjoyment when they learn of Dudley's other exploits: Apparently faked science fair experiment claiming water heated in a microwave oven is harmful to plants, fanciful investigations into crop circles, and promotion of the recurrent "health" fad colloidal silver.
- Mark Goldes:' To quote Dudley: Maxwell's Pressure Demon and the Second Law of Thermodynamics
- By John Marshall Dudley
- Summary
- Theory predicts that it should be possible to violate the second law of thermodynamics. 'An experiment was constructed to evaluate the theory, and it was found to produce power in the form of electricity from the kinetic energy of molecules of air at room temperature.' The experimental power produced by the device over a temperature range of 20 - 55 C was within 5% of that which the theory predicted across the entire range.
- Other sources of the power, such as electrochemical were evaluated and eliminated as possibilities.
- Mark Goldes: Penny it seems you are the bold faced liar. In time, readers will find that to be true of almost all of your vast collection of arrogant utterances.
- --Penny Gruber 16:31, 1 Jul 2008 (EDT)Dudley failed to show heat was removed from the air. He concluded according to his desires that his experiments violated the 2nd Law, passively creating a heat gradient from thermal equilibrium. However Dudley never even attempted the calorimetry needed to test that claim. He instead conducted experiments where he attempted to measure very small power levels and rule out some but not all of the sources for power perceived by his measurements. His conclusions are therefore not the result of careful experiments with proper controls, but mere speculation. The nominal term is "junk science".
- In the two years since Dudley has published his claims they have gone nowhere. This is just another case where once again, Mark Goldes attempts to latch onto the specious claims of another free energy claimant in order to try and legitimize his fraud.
- What makes this all the more comical is that Dudley was trying to demonstrate a Maxwell Demon violation of the Second Law at a picowatt level. That is something that is very difficult to establish because of the minute power levels. Mark Goldes on the other hand claims passive heat removal from ambient air in the hundreds of kilowatts, which is trivial to demonstrate. Yet Mark Goldes offers zero evidence in support of his wholly fantastical, fraudulant claims.
Mark Goldes claims that if only MPI could get funding, this device could be in production with "minimal delay", which he describes as "a matter of months." The clear implication is that despite all previous posturing, the claimed working magnetic power generators are now much further out in time than "a matter of months".
- Mark Goldes: Magnetic devices are coming along nicely. However, as I have mentioned elsewhere, while self-running prototypes are likely this summer, production may be slowed by the lack of large quantities of certain components that have had only very small markets in the past. Since these are ordinary problems of mass production, they will be readily solved. But, that will require a bit of time.
- --Penny Gruber 08:17, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)One really has to marvel at how effortlessly you try to create anticipation of some immediate results on the one hand, while creating excuses with the other. You show nothing because you have nothing to show.
To date all proposed Maxwell Demons violate of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and none has ever been demonstrated to work. Despite this fact, Mark Goldes claims that these Maxwell Demons have already:
- Mark Goldes: As stated above, I have never claimed Maxwell demons have powered anything. However, the devices listed were powered by the efficient solid-state conversion of ambient temperature heat.
- --Penny Gruber 02:06, 25 Jun 2008 (EDT)That claim is complete woo-woo. The laws of thermodynamics require that in order to do work with heat a temperature gradient is required. You offer neither experimental evidence, nor a theoretical basis for your extraordinary claim.
Powered an RFID device for over a year.
Powered a golf cart for over 120 miles with no battery discharge.
Powered a 204 HP motor for over 150 hours with 20% battery discharge.
Powered an electric car for almost 5000 miles travel.
Such claims are easy to publically reproduce as well as test at qualified laboratories like ETI. It is a safe bet that like the GENIE devices, MPI will not submit any device to test, but will instead use this new initiative as an excuse for putting aside the GENIE devices, just as MPI used the GENIE devices as an excuse for putting aside the transformer devices.
- Mark Goldes: Such claims will in fact be tested at qualified laboratories in the near future.
- --Penny Gruber 02:06, 25 Jun 2008 (EDT)You have already elsewhere disclaimed any and all projections as promises. A reasonable reader is likely to conclude that since you have not executed in several years what you claimed you would do "in a few weeks" that your claim of "in the near future" is equally empty. Need anyone be reminded that it has now been six months since you claimed you would be prepared to test at Geoscience "within six months"?
- Mark Goldes: We have never stated we would test at Geoscience at any time. Like so many of your half-truths, we have in fact said we would submit to tests at EarthTech. And we will.
- --Penny Gruber 15:52, 1 Jul 2008 (EDT)Actually you stated it right here: Dec 26, 2007 Mark Goldes posting as Overtone stating MPI would be "happy to meet a reasonable protocol at Geoscience within six months." (http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60099&page=2) The six months are up. You did not submit.
- Mark Goldes: Interesting. That post is not mine. Someone else evidently posed as Overtone, which I do use as a web name on several websites including Steorn's Forum. As it happens we do not have any knowledge of, or contact with, Geoscience.
- --Penny Gruber 15:09, 2 Jul 2008 (EDT)Caught lying yet again you want people to believe that: someone hacked your password at Steorn, did one heck of a job impersonating you right between other posts of yours, and for over six months you never knew. You want people to think you never knew about a supposed imposter's posts even though you typically respond to invocation of your or MPI's name anywhere on the WWW within a week. Perhaps the good people at Steorn will compare originating IP addresses. How much would you like to bet that "impersonator" has the same IP address as you?
- Mark Goldes: As it happens, it was me. I simply was and am unfamiliar with Geoscience and forgot the reply to Mary contained her reference.
- --Penny Gruber 22:09, 2 Jul 2008 (EDT)That is another lame lie. You were specific in your reply to Mary Yugo. The reference to Geoscience was yours, and was not a simple inclusion by quote.
- Mark Goldes: Mystery solved! Since Geoscience is a name unfamiliar to me, I discovered it appears in a comment by Mary Yugo on the Steorn Forum last Christmas. My answer to her contained it as well, and still stands. My comment was to the effect that in about six months we would have technology that could be submitted to any lab, including that one, without a problem.
- We are not far behind that schedule. As stated elsewhere, before this summer is over, independent testing of our technology is likely to provide an opportunity for numerous self-certain, not exactly friendly, folks to find a rather large quantity of egg on their faces.
- --Penny Gruber 22:09, 2 Jul 2008 (EDT)Faced with a lie that you could weasel out of, you crafted the even more improbable story that you did not recognize your own posting. In a vain attempt to obfuscate your lies, you deleted your post:
- "Interesting. That post is not mine. Someone else evidently posed as Overtone, which I do use as a web name on several websites including Steorn's Forum. As it happens we do not have any knowledge of, or contact with Geoscience."
- (Note to Sterling: I think it is unconscienable to allow Mark or anyone else to materially alter their statements here so as to cover-up lies. If Mark continues to delete his history here, I strongly suggest disabling his login. I have restored Mark's original post to retain the context.)
--Penny Gruber 02:40, 28 May 2008 (EDT) Updated
In a May 18, 2008 Infinite Consciousness Audio Interview of Mark Goldes (http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/01%20Mark%20Goldes%20Interview.mp3) (Download takes several minutes after clicking the link.)
Mark Goldes conditioned his independent test date of before "summer is over" issued April 30, on receiving unspecified funding. Predictably, as with his imminent major funding claims going back years, MPI will not receive funding, and will use this as an excuse not to submit the OU devices they claim they currently have to independent test.
--Penny Gruber 18:47, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
It has taken just one week for Mark Goldes to push the test bar from his imminent "(at long last)" he posted April 23, by more than three months to: "We are still expecting to have EarthTech evaluate a self-running prototype before the summer is over."
New test date Published 04/30/2008 (http://magneticpowerinc.com/pdf/letter.pdf)
Interestingly, Mark Goldes Now states (http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60099&page=4) anything short of a self-running device is not good enough to test. Gone is the idea of EarthTech or another lab validating the measurements MPI has long said establish their devices as OU but not self-sustaining.
- Mark Goldes: Since self-running magnetic devices are now expected to be submitted for tests this summer, there is no point in demonstrating devices that do less. That is the ultimate test for tapping a previously never before commercialized source of energy.
- --Penny Gruber 10:47, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)"Expected" is no substitute for "is". The bottom line is that you steadfastly refuse to produce ANY evidence to support your false OU claims.
If It's OU Then Test It Already
--Penny Gruber 08:28, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
Mark says he's got at least five devices that are OU. ETI are willing, able, and eager to test any OU device. Enough with the excuses. Do it already. ETI can test MPI's OU claims while MPI chases the ever elusive self-running devices.
Given Mark Goldes' long history of claiming OU and never submitting to test, it is a safe bet that by any: next week, next month, next year, or next decade MPI will not submit any of their claimed OU devices to independent test.
- Mark Goldes: As always, time will tell the tale. Penny and others who doubt MPI technology is real, will soon enough discover they are mistaken.
- Since these technologies are urgently needed as never before, they will surely be widely welcomed.
- --Penny Gruber 10:41, 19 Jun 2008 (EDT)There is nothing to doubt. Despite your many fraudulant claims, you do not now have nor have you ever had any OU technology.
- Mark Goldes: At a time when oil prices have made life difficult for millions, and nuclear power with all its many problems is advocated by many as a solution to our energy problems, our technology, as well as that of every competitive alternative, is urgently needed.
- The advantage of our approach is that it has the potential to provide electric cars with unlimited range in the near future, and also to turn electric automobiles, trucks and buses into power plants when suitably parked. Up to 150 kW can be wirelessly transmitted to the grid by vehicles so equipped. Cars not only will require no fuel, but will be able to pay for themselves. As an added bonus, they will be able to wirelessly transmit 10 kW to the home or small business, providing power that following floods, earthquakes, hurricanes and other disasters is likely to be greatly appreciated.
- We do not expect anyone with scientific background to accept our claims without independent laboratory validation. People who cry fraud concerning technology they cannot understand or believe are legion. In our case, they will be proven wrong rather soon.
- --Penny Gruber 18:50, 20 Jun 2008 (EDT) For all that text there is not a scintilla of evidence supporting Mark Goldes fraudulant claims of OU / free energy machines. Years of history have demonstrated the falsity of Mark Goldes future projections.
Same Story Over and Over
On July 11, 2006, Penny wrote the following by email. <pennies_everywhere {at} hushmail.com>
Mark Goldes, CEO of MPI, responded on July 12. His comments are interjected in italices and indented.
It is a bit odd that Mark Goldes is now saying (http://pesn.com/2006/07/09/9500289_MPI_Fast_Track/) that MPI
needs to verify that they have achieved greater than unity when
June 29, 2006 Goldes expressly stated that they had working
prototypes of their magnetic power generators prior to filing their
patent application.
- Mark Goldes: There is a difference between tests internal to the Company and those done by an independent laboratory.
The stench rising from this effluent should be choking to anyone with an ounce of sense. Goldes has made the same pitch year after year. Each time he holds out the promise of a technology that would shake modern physics to its core. Each time big money is supposedly just around the corner. Each time Goldes pleas for "qualified investors" to do what his banker and smart money won't: provide him with what he calls bridge loans and/or investments. Even as he is beyond claiming working prototypes, Goldes still has his hat out on the internet? What is severely wrong with this picture?
- Mark Goldes: Companies without revenues have had a difficult time finding capital since the dot.com crash. MPI's subsidiary is a case in point. Our Ultraconductors have been reproduced independently at the Ioffe Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Bar Ilan University in Israel, and Fractal Technologies for the USAF in the U.S. They have been the subject of four completed DOD SBIR Contracts including a Phase I and Phase II with the USAF. We had 15 people working on that remarkable technology, which will ultimately replace copper, and conducts at least 100,000 times better than gold, silver, or any metal. All of that staff have been laid off or have taken a leave of absence. Fortunately, the interest in the energy work is growing and investors with technical backgrounds understand the multi-billion dollar markets that Ultraconductors can enter. Therefore, it is likely we will soon embark on the $18 million, three year, program to fabricate wire. Wire composes 80% of the market for superconductors and Ultraconductors are the practical equivalent of an ambient temperature superconductor, capable of functioning to 200 degrees C (390 degrees F).
Goldes is located near San Francisco one of the premiere high tech centers in the world. There are immense financial and technical resources in that region, including the US DoE's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. (Did you know that the DoE offers access to the national labs at huge discounts to small companies investigating promising technology? Did you know that sometimes they will even do the work for free?) If MPI had posession of a working prototype all those: greedy venture capitalists, curious academics, and paranoid government officials would have long since been all over MPI. All he would have to do is define a reproduceable experiment and untold working capital would be his. It hasn't happened though, has it?
- Mark Goldes: Room Temperature Superconductors Inc. (RTS), our subsidiary developing the Ultraconductors demonstrated at Los Alamos National Laboratory, 120 Amperes flowing through a region of less than 2 microns in diameter. This is roughly 1/50th the diameter of a human hair. Jim Smith, the former Director of the Superconductivity Center at Los Alamos was a member of our Advisory Board for several years, (along with Bill Little, Emeritus Professor of Physics at Stanford University). We found, to our surprise, that Los Alamos did not embrace these remarkable materials. Jim, who no longer worked in superconductivity at Los Alamos, later explained that that Lab had worked a long time to get Congress to fund the work with the ceramic (so-called high temperature) superconductors and were afraid they would lose that funding and have to sell Congress all over again if they embraced the polymers.
- Now consider Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It is heavily funded for hot fusion research. The world total for hot fusion research is many billions of dollars. LLNL has an ongoing program of substantial size and a large budget. Along comes a breakthrough that suggests all existing nuclear power programs, uranium fission as well as hot fusion, might be obsolete. You have to be naive to believe scientists who have an assured income for decades to come following their current course, are going to embrace an inexpensive, much simpler, replacement technology. Just study the experience of cold fusion people for a glaring example of the rejection of excellent science, reproduced by the U.S. Navy, SRI, and many other distinguished laboratories.
- I once was CEO of a financial consulting firm. One of my clients was a part of the Commerce Department which called me into Washington when Venture Capital all but vanished in the U.S. back in the 1970s, to see if we could find possible solutions. It gave me the opportunity to study the Venture Capital community. I found they were not very venturesome. One only has to look at the funding of photovoltaics for a case in point. Only in recent years has the VC community decided it was worthy of investment. VC deals are always one sided. After the dot.com crash they became abominable and were rarely made. Certainly not where cutting edge science was involved.
- I might mention that the DOE and several National Laboratories are regular visitors to our website. So also are Boeing, Lockheed, Cisco, General Motors, Ford, General Atomics and many other well known firms. In time, several of the latter are likely to become licensees.
Instead of being flush with the backing of anxious deep pockets, Goldes continues to scrounge for investors / donors over the internet. Watch this charade unfold as Goldes will undoubtedly come up with a string of "temporary" set-backs that will delay any validation. It is to say succinctly: a crock. Ultimately, Goldes magnetic power generators ( transformers ) will produce no more power than all those Joe Cells people claim to have but never show.
- Mark Goldes: We are presently discussing Strategic Partnerships with companies in a half-dozen countries, including three firms in the U.S., two of which are very large. Demonstration Devices are expected to be ready for manufacturers to examine before the end of this year. More capital may accelerate the timetable. Global Warming now threatens to end human life by 2050. We applaud every genuine effort to contribute the needed breakthroughs in technology. As the bumper sticker says, a mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open.
Rebuttal to Goldes
On July 13, 2006, Penny wrote the following rebuttal by email. <pennies_everywhere {at} hushmail.com>
- --Penny Gruber 15:26, 2 Jul 2008 (EDT)I have closed that e-mail account. An account where I can be reached is on file w/ PESN.
Mark Goldes, CEO of MPI, responded on July 13. His comments are interjected in italices and indented.
Let's look at what is in dispute and see what
verifiable facts can tell us.
Fact: June 29, 2006 Goldes stated they achieved a working prototype prior to the subject patent application.
"Following construction of a successful prototype, a U.S. patent application was filed covering this advanced electrical generator." (Goldes posting as Overtone on the ZP Energy forum.)
Fact: Your piece stated that the device was yet to be verified in- house. "Once their in-house testing has ascertained that this over- unity efect is consistent..."
These statements are clearly contradictory.
- Mark Goldes: Not really. We now have had consistent over-unity in-house for some time. Our present program is designed to allow independent validation. There are several candidate devices.
Mark Goldes rebuts:
> There is a difference between tests internal to the Company and
>those done be an independent laboratory.
That is a true statement, but an evasive response. No independent laboratory verification is at issue. Contradiction of the earlier claim of "successful prototype" is.
- Mark Goldes: The first prototype of the patent pending invention was far over unity. Sufficiently so to indicate self-powered generators of this type were on the horizon. A development program is in process to move an early Demonstration Device of this design to market as soon as practical. Pre-manufacturing prototypes are a goal for this year.
On the issue of why Mr. Goldes continues to seek funding via the internet, Mr. Goldes rebuts:
> Companies without revenues have had a difficult time finding
>capital since the dot.com crash.
Fact. It is true that dot.coms and telecoms have fallen from VC favor for good reason. It is evasive and irrelevant to other fields such as energy.
- Mark Goldes: Not so. Cold fusion is an excellent example.
Fact: I have personally met with VCs with offices in the San Francisco area who contradict Mr. Goldes. They say that anything that is in the field of energy generation, energy conservation, miniaturization, and / or extension of portable device battery life is very hot right now and has been right through the slump that began in 2001.
- Mark Goldes: VCs talk a good line. But, they have made no investment in any cold fusion company. Three are presently slowly moving toward commercialization without a penny of VC investment. Honest VCs will admit that their deals do not include companies without revenue nor in cutting edge technology. They will also admit the deals have been very harsh for investments made following the dot.com crash.
- We are in fact talking to a couple of VCs at this time.
Mr. Goldes continues:
MPI's subsidiary is a case in
>point. Our Ultraconductors have been reproduced independently at
>the Ioffe Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Bar Ilan
>University in Israel, and Fractal Technologies for the USAF in the
>U.S. They have been the subject of four completed DOD SBIR
>Contracts including a Phase I and Phase II with the USAF.
Fact: This is a distraction that has nothing to do with his magnetic power modules.
Fact: The SBIR contracts never went past Phase II.
Fact: The SBIR contracts ran out years ago without advancing to procurement.
Fact: Mr. Goldes chooses language that sounds definite but is in- fact ambiguous.
Fact: There is considerable public dispute about Golde's reported results going back nearly a decade. See Wired Magazine piece, "Pentagon Buys 'Perpetual Motion'", Brody, Kirkis, July 22 1998 Maley and Grant both dispute reproduction of Goldes results.
Specifically Maley stated that the samples supplied were too small to permit measurement to support Golde's claims. Maley succinctly stated:
"Quite frankly, no one believes it,"
- Mark Goldes: The Wired article was a highly distorted piece that resulted from one of the authors being fired by Superconductor Week after he attempted to publish an article about our work without bothering to check facts with the Company.
- An annotated version with the many errors corrected appears following the Wired article in the Ultraconductor description in Wikipedia.
- Maley told me in person, prior to receiving our samples, that no room temperature superconductor was possible. Period, He had a closed mind, and apparently knew very little about polymers. Any polymer scientist worth his salt could have tested our samples, as was done by Amp, now Tyco Electronics, with positive results. The science behind Ultraconductors is of extremely high quality, much of it was done in Russia. Those who see the work and understand it often comment it is worthy of a Nobel Prize.
Fact: Better conductor materials are worth huge money.
- Mark Goldes: An accurate statement.
Fact: Mr. Goldes claims success and yet is unable to attract conventional financing.
- Mark Goldes: We are at last attracting conventional financing.
Fact: Goldes is located in the San Francisco area.
Fact: That area is home to the University of California Berkeley one of the preeminent electrical engineering and energy engineering institutions in the world. It is also home to Stanford, University San Francisco, San Jose State all prestigious technical institutions.
- Mark Goldes: We would be delighted to have our Ultraconductor work become a project at any university. By coincidence, just yesterday we discussed the possibility of doing so at Berkeley. Earlier approaches were not successful. It is rare to find an academic who will stick his neck out and embrace cutting edge work that has not emerged from the academic community.
- Mark Goldes: William Little, Emeritus Professor of Physics at Stanford, predicted room temperature superconductivity would be achieved in a polymer in a Physical Review paper in 1964. That same year he did a parallel article in Scientific American. Bill has been a member of the RTS Scientific Advisory Council for many years. He did not believe our work was real until he tested it himself. Nobody else at Stanford was interested enough to test the polymers.
Fact: It is home to the Lawrence Livermore National Labs
- Mark Goldes: LLNL has spent many billions of dollars on hot fusion research. To this day, neither they, nor any other lab has achieved breakeven, let alone exceeded unity. Yet massive funding continues.
- Mark Goldes: Professor Robert Huggins Material Science group at Stanford reproduced the Pons and Fleishmann experiment, that began the cold fusion furor, six months after the initial announcement in Utah. It was over unity. The paper was published in the refereed journal Fusion Technology.
Fact: The National Labs have a stated policy of encouraging and assisting small business innovative research.
- Mark Goldes: Note they have not supported any cold fusion work in spite of the fact that hundred of excellent articles have appeared in refereed journals and confirming experiments have been done many times. Openly for example at SRI International where the last experiments, successful I might add, were supported by DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
- Mark Goldes: MPI is in fact cooperating with a scientist at one of the national labs who is unofficially attempting to reproduce the 6 kW magnetic generator demonstrated in Hitler's Germany in 1937. The work, by inventor Hans Coler, was then supported by the German Navy. Coler's laboratory was destroyed by an Allied bomb late in WWII. However, he cooperated with British Intelligence which issued a Report, initially classified, in 1946. About 32 pages were declassified in 1979. The Report is now linked to our website. The scientist working on the project believes the original Report may have been about 200 pages, but nobody has yet been able to find the remainder.
- Mark Goldes: MPI has done an analysis of the Coler work, which we have sent to that scientist, and offered to anyone interested at any university of national laboratory. As a result,a material scientist at Imperial College at the University of London has embarked on a reproduction. Two physicists, one formerly on the faculty of UC Santa Cruz and the other a former Adjunct Professor in Uruguay, are also attempting reproductions.
Fact: The area is home to some of the largest and wealthiest venture capital operations in the world.
- Mark Goldes: True.
Fact: Mr. Goldes changes the subject from that of why he can't find conventional funding for the magnetic power generators to an entirely different company.
- Mark Goldes: RTS is an MPI subsidiary. My comments indicate problems which illuminate the difficulty faced by all cutting edge technology.
Fact: That is no rebuttal at all.
- Mark Goldes: Others may disagree with your narrow view.
Mr. Goldes rebuts that cutting edge science does not take VC funding.
- Mark Goldes: True. The exceptions are extremely rare.
Fact: VC funding has been used extensively in Mr. Goldes back yard for dozens of companies including one that Cisco purchased for billions with a capital B dollars.
- Mark Goldes: Our RTS subsidiary, once it has developed wire, may be a candidate for a similar transaction.
Fact: Advanced material plays in the solar energy area have gotten a lot of VC money recently.
- Mark Goldes: Solar cells were invented at Bell Labs many decades ago. They are well understood and have been for many years. Yet, in spite of that fact, the VC community invested very little until recently. Hardly a support for your argument.
Mr. Goldes expresses that he doesn't like the fact that VC's typically take the lion's share of a company's equity. But he express willingness to let his company's developments stand idle while he pan handles on the internet for nickles and dimes.
- Mark Goldes: Nothing stands idle. Patent work continues worldwide. Until recently, you could count on one hand the VCs that made investments in materials. That appears to be changing. We have serious discussions with one VC under way for some time for both our firms and another has expressed interest in MPI.
Fact: Technology is a time wasting asset. Patents have limited exploitation lives. Unpatented property is in complete jeopardy.
- Mark Goldes: True. RTS has three issued Patents and a pending application with 195 Claims that will be divided into at least 5 more. MPI expects to file a substantial number of additional patent applications during the next few months.
No sane businessperson sits on technology. Exploit it or lose it.
- Mark Goldes: For sure!
Fact: Mr. Goldes tries to claim that an invisible cartel of scientists will insure that his devices are never tested fairly.
"We found,
>to our surprise, that Los Alamos did not embrace these remarkable
>materials. Jim, who no longer worked in superconductivity at Los
>Alamos, later explained that that Lab had worked a long time to
>get Congress to fund the work with the ceramic (so-called high
>temperature) superconductors and were afraid they would lose that
>funding and have to sell Congress all over again if they embraced
>the polymers.
>
> Now consider Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It is
>heavily funded for hot fusion research. The world total for hot
>fusion research is many billions of dollars. LLNL has an ongoing
>program of substantial size and a large budget. Along comes a
>breakthrough that suggests all existing nuclear power programs,
>uranium fission as well as hot fusion, might be obsolete. You
>have to be naive to believe scientists who have an assured income
>for decades to come following their current course, are going to
>embrace an inexpensive, much simpler, replacement technology.
>Just study the experience of cold fusion people for a glaring
>example of the rejection of excellent science, reproduced by the
>U.S. Navy, SRI, and many other distinguished laboratories. "
>
Is every single engineer and scientist in the world the corrupt pawn of entrenched interests and the status quo that Mr. Goldes implies?
- Mark Goldes: There is no such implication. Open minded scientists exist. However, when work is cutting edge skepticism is very great, as indeed it should be! We are developing Demonstration Devices as our first products so that any interested party can play with a magnetic generator that every textbook states is impossible. This is new science and that is one path to acceptance with minimal delay. Parallel with larger Modules we will be developing toys. Young people will likely teach their parents how these devices function.
Fact: VC's only care about money and are not beholden to belief system politics. "If you can make money with it, they will come."
- Mark Goldes: VCs have usually behaved like sheep. Most tend to wait until the risk is reduced considerably before they join the party. There are a handfull of exceptions.
Fact: In the next breath Mr. Goldes claims frequent visits to his web site somehow indicate that the invisible cartel will suddenly jump ship and all will license his claimed technology.
- Mark Goldes: We do not believe there is any cartel, only well deserved skepticism. There have been so many deluded inventors and frauds in this field that anyone with their head screwed on straight will want to know the technology is real and practical.
Which is it? Will the evil cadre of the status quo forever block verification of his devices. Or will they all be buying them tomorrow?
- Mark Goldes: Nothing is blocking this work. It could become an around the clock effort with sufficient capital. I expect that could happen later this year.
Fact: True to form Mr. Goldes never misses a chance to make his pitch for those mom and pop investment dollars to "accelerate" development.
- Mark Goldes: We make no appeal to any investors that are not Accredited. We expect them to do serious Due Diligence. With signed NDAs they get technical papers and can visit our labs.
Fact: Mr. Goldes has been offering essentially the same pitch on the magnetic power units for at least two years. His posts as Overtone on the ZP Energy forum are well-documented.
- Mark Goldes: True. And we have made substantial progress in the interim.
Fact: Despite claims to a working prototype months ago, Mr. Goldes asserts that he needs to yet develop demonstration devices to show prospective licensees.
- Mark Goldes: Working prototypes and Demonstration Devices are not the same. The latter are units that will be licensed for manufacture. We show prospective licensees ongoing lab work that they seem to find very exciting.
In a first for industrial society somehow a device that works isn't good enough to demonstrate.
- Mark Goldes: Crude prototypes help us develop our technology. Since this is new science, we are constantly learning in the laboratories.
- Perhaps it would be instructive to read Carver Mead's book Collective Electrodynamics. He was head of Electrical Engineering at Cal Tech and found that most electrical engineers working from theory did not comprehend the facts he repeatedly gleaned from experiments.
The reader is free as Mr. Goldes asks suspend disbelief guised as maintaining an open mind. They are free to take his word that he has these miraculous inventions that really work, but can't show them to anyone unitl he gets those critical mom and pop dollars. They are free to take his word that he can't find anyone in the conventional greed driven world of business to take his inventions of incalculable value seriously. They are free to believe that only small investors to be found on the internet can be relied upon. Forget that filthy rich folks like Gates and Buffett have billions they are willing to invest in the name of advancing humanity. Only mom and pop on the internet are sophisticated enough, moral enough, intelligent enough, and open minded enough to invest in something Goldes claims already works. Yes, by all means suspend all disbelief.
- Mark Goldes: We do not seek mom and pop dollars. Nor do we believe anyone should suspend disbelief. This is real technology, based on new science, it is being pursued in several countries. See my remarks above concerning Accredited Investors and the fact we anticipate they will perform Due Diligence.
Alternatively, the reader is free to observe: Mr. Goldes evasive rhetoric, self contradiction, contradiction with established facts, and constant pitch for cash.
- Mark Goldes: Let the reader decide if I have been evasive or contradictory.
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