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Your input here regarding: Sterling Allan's Experiment 5 on Bedini's "School Girl" Motor/Energizer accidentally discovers a solid state resonance of what is otherwise designed to be a rotating system.
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Oscillation Bespeaks Tesla tech
Oct. 19, 2004
Now THIS I Like!
As all Tesla fans know, resonance is everything, and any circuit along these lines (using coils) should be able to be "tuned".
Steve Chlupsa
Congrats from Bedini
Oct. 19, 2004
Yes we always measure with something better then that, gravity indicators can be misleading, so we use a BK carbon pile tester to make sure the charge is really in the battery. This type of meter loads the battery to the amp hours required. As I said to you run the experiment for yourself and find out if it charges the secondary battery you do not need a lab to do this work.
I can say safely, that the TUV test was right on the money, it plainly states that one battery used as a primary source can run the machine and charge four batteries at the same time in the secondary circuit.
Sterling is right about making this solid state. What Sterling has built is a radiant reactive oscillator open loop to nature in the front end he need's some help but he has learned from this. Good work Sterling.
Sterling was telling you the truth about coming to visit here we have what we say we have. Also as I have said that it takes energy to trigger it out, the only thing that will ever be Over Unity or FE will be a peremeant magnetic motor running on it's own. A wire collecting charge from the atmosphere charging a battery, wind power, solar cells, waterpower, these are real free energy devices, but again somebody must pay for this, so it's not free.
I have combined my work since 1984 into one machine to make it easy to build, no timing circuit, no capacitors, just a simple straight froward circuit to experiment with and learn from. This is all I can say, just do the experiment. Best of luck to you in your efforts.
-- John Bedini
Ringing Bedini Circuit Only Surface Charge
Hi All.
In my experience with the other Bedini Motor Circuit's, when it Rings like that, it will charge up a batt pretty fast, but it only amounts to a surface charge, when you discharge the battery with a 500 watt inverter running a 250W heat lamp or 100W bulb it does not have much charge, compared to a regular charged battery, discharged the same way.......
A Gauss Meter Circuit: http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magmeter.htm
this circuit can also run Current sensors like these: http://www.west.net/~escor/
I use the PRO5 for small currents, and the AMP25, AMP100, AMP200 for larger currents
These sensors measure current Unintrusively, unlike a Muilitmeter that adds resistance in series to the circuit that you are measuring, and their voltage output can be view on a Volt Meter or Oscope.........
Using 2 circuits, one as a Gauss Meter, the other as a Current Meter, with each viewed on a duel trace Oscope at the same time, will show you how the magnetic field strength and current flow waveforms are related..... can be very informitive..... and this circuit is relatively easy to build..........
Hope this Helps
RS
Analogous Ringing found in Insulators?
Oct. 19, 2004
Sterling,
Thanks for the update.
Try checking the coil's core for sound. I suspect the ringing is coming from the expansion and contraction of the iron, which is typical in a transformer. In a transformer, when the iron gets magnetized, it expands. As the coil is shut off, it contracts. This creates the vibration. I suspect the vibrations were still there with the lower resistors, but it was in a spectrum you couldn't hear. Indeed, this is how they make silent transformers -- by changing the oscillations so that it is oscillating in a frequency we can't hear.
Don't take any of this as coming from an expert -- I'm certainly not one. I just remembered hearing about vibrating transformers making noise and so I looked it up on the web and sure enough, that seems to give a plausible explanation as to the ringing you are hearing.
Jason
Is this an oscillator circuit?
Oct. 20, 2004
Added by Stefan Hartmann:
Sterling, you have probably built an oscillator circuit by accident when you changed the resistor.
The frequency is dependant on all the stray capacitance of your coils and the value of L of your coils. To compare output energy versus input energy , you need to check the charge batteries for their output. So you need to drive a defined load (test resistor) for a defined time on the output batteries and then compare this output power x time versus the used input energy (power input x time) at the same charge level of the batteries. That is a pretty complicated setup, cause you also have to include the differential charge energy levels of the batteries.
Maybe it would be much better to use supercaps as Dave Squires has stated here:
How about using a supercapacitor bank to replace the batteries? Get a low leakage type and well matched to get the needed voltage in series. Charge up the capacitor bank to about the battery voltage used. Then start it up.
It should be pretty evident if more energy comes back or not.
If yes, the cap voltage rises or remains the same. If not, it
slowly decays.
This eliminates all battery chemistry issues, electrolyte balance or specific gravity checks. These caps do use an ionic method to store charge somewhat like a battery and so perhaps are suited well to a test of this system. They don't have the cycle limit that batteries have.
Dave
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Regards, Stefan Hartmann.
Batteries
Hi Sterling,
Two things you have to remember about batteries.
1) The voltage profiles for charge and discharge are very diffenet. Get the manufactures specs on the charge and discharge voltage profiles
2) The amount of energy taken from or input to a battery is a product of current, voltage, and time.
Energy=voltage*current*time
For varying voltages and currents you need to sum over the tmes for each one.
Total Energy=V1*I1*t1 +V2*I2*t2 +V13*I3*t3 +V4*41*t4 etc.
where V and I are the voltage and current during a time interval t.
Thanx
mojo
Make a real load test
Hi Sterling, try to discharge your charge battery once, to see, how much energy it really has stored. Take a 20 Ohm resistor ( 10 Watts type)and see, how long you can draw a current of 600 ma at 12 Volts with it. Note current value and voltage value and see how the voltage and current drops over time. Then you can calculate the right amount of energy capacity you had inside the battery.
Then compare this with the amount of energy you had prior put from the drive battery into the system.
Regards, Stefan.
Not willing to sacrifice a battery
Oct. 20, 2004
Stefan,
I am no battery expert, but I see two problems with your proposed test.
First, what you are requesting basically amounts to sacrificing a battery because the test you propose will kill the battery. It requires complete discharge, which no battery can take and still live.
Second, it requires painstaking manual data collection or expensive automatic data collection. I'm not willing to do the manual data because of the first reason stated.
What is needed is the Battery Capacity Analyzer (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Instrumentation#Battery_Capacity_Analyzer) Bedini mentioned today at bedini_sg. I saw John and Peter use this routinely when they were showing their prototypes to us. It is a highly accurate way to get a measure of a battery's capacity at a given point without sacrificing the battery. The drawback is the meter is only for a 12-V system, and I'm using 6Vs right now.
Sterling
Radiant Energy
Hi Sterling,
I was reading Bedini's explanation of his radiant energy. He basically describes it as voltage without current.
If this is true, a battery could be made to self-charge by correctly pulsing the terminals with the proper voltage waveforms, while not allowing any current to flow (except what is necessary for switching).
This idea would simlify the cricuits necessary to get the Bedini effects, without having any load at all. It would also increase the efficiency of the effect.
Also, short negative voltage pulses applied to the positive terminal, with no external current could cause internal electron flow from the positive to negative pole, thus charging the battery.
mojo
