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System by TechnoKontrol of Spain.
System by TechnoKontrol of Spain.
Shortcut url: http://QMoGen.com (I call these "Q-mo-gens", from the shape of the Q implying looped with energy left over.)
See also: News:QMoGen


Compiled by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
September 5, 2012


Picture this. You have a motor turning a larger output generator, and the generator is producing enough energy to keep the motor running, as well as enough left over to power other things. (It's a little more complicated than this, but that is the general idea.) All you need to get it going is a starter motor, temporarily, like on an automobile engine, and once the system is going, it stays going, unless it is shut off.

Sounds like a clear case of violating the law of conservation of energy, right?

Apparently not. I've now know of at least three independent situations where this is claimed to be the case. Two of those are very credible, and I hope to be reporting more on them in the coming days and weeks.

How is energy showing up?

September 16, 2013 Update: Now we know of 26 individuals/groups that have come up with this independent from one another. Some of these are likely to be bogus, but not all.

Contents

Karl Palsness' Theory

I had a chat yesterday with Karl Palsness, who is an expert on Tesla technology. He has also heard of several cases like this, all independent from one another.

"I know exactly what you're talking about. I've done a lot of work in that area. That's amazing. I've heard this from so many people now, that this works.
"From what has been observed, you're playing with the phasing angles between the motor and the generator, and when the phasing angles are out of phase, you're getting into what is called 'power factor'. When you get the power factor right, the current and voltage are out of phase, and when you get them meshed up enough, it actually self-runs and produces excess energy.
"This theory is based on magnetic flux. Permanent magnets or electromagnets such as in a generator or a motor, under certain conditions, give overunity (OU) behavior. But there's more to it than that, from what I've seen myself in overunity devices. It is all about geometry of the system. How and where a permanent magnet gets it's energy, is still a very big mystery to science. Excess energy can appear in electromagnets, as well.
"I've seen this effect on generators. When you have a generator that's turning too big of a load, and you have big enough breakers to handle the current, the currents go way up. Imagine if you have 500 Volts at 1 Amp; you have 500 Watts. Or you can have 500 Amps with one Volt; and you have 500 Watts. So when you get huge amps and low voltages in between the phasing angles, the current and magnetic fields are so collapsing and rising, and the phase angles are 'wrong', I believe that the magnetic field is coupling with, I'd have to say the word: 'The Vacuum'. In other words, it's coupling with an unknown -- whatever makes the permanent magnet work. We truly don't understand the science of that. There are a lot of theories, but no proof yet. Permanent magnets are still one of those unknowns, as to why it does what it does. And that's the same thing with electromagnets. There are a lot of unknowns.
"So when we kept playing with the power factors and phase angles, I believe there is overunity. I've seen it so many times now, with so many different people, that if I had the money, I would go out and buy the parts to do the testing in this area myself.
"Remember that guy [...confidential / U.S....]. He's doing the same thing. He has a small motor turning a big generator, and it's out of phase, and the power factor is out. There's a guy in South Africa that's doing the same thing. He's got a motor connected to a bigger generator, and it's doing the same thing. There's a guy in South America, (the blind guy from welding) (Force Multiplier System). He had a motor turning a generator, via shaky gear connection. That's doing the same thing.
"There are a lot of people claiming this. It's getting to the point that there are so many people claiming it, that are unrelated to one another, that I'd have to say that it holds a lot of potential.
"And I have a theory behind it. I actually wrote a whole chapter on that in my book about the science of how to do it in a much more elegant method than they are doing it now, based on what they are doing right now. The problem is, I don't have the funds to do it. That book is my research journal, and I don't have plans at the current time on publishing it – my notes as you work every day. I've got a lot of time and money into that. If what they are doing indeed works, I believe it can take it to the next level and make it a much better product and bring it to market. At the current time, I don't want to give that idea out, as it is still just an unproven theory of a way that might work. I'd like to bring it to fruition in the future if I can prove it works."


Open Source Project

OS: QMoGen Open Source Project

  • Featured / OS: Electromagnetic > QMoGen > QEG >
    Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced - HopeGirl yesterday announced that they had finally completed their downloadable plans that will enable to world to open source a modified Tesla free energy technology capable of producing a net output of 10 kW -- enough to power a home. (PESN; March 26, 2014)
  • Emmett Butler to post QMoGen instructions - "In the next two weeks I will have a blog up and you can see not only how to build one but how it works. I have done this." (Free Energy Blog; December 16, 2013)

Open Letter to QMoGen Developers

  • Featured / OS: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Open Letter to QMoGen Developers - We have now encountered nearly 40 self-looped motor-generator, fuelless power systems from 15 different countries. Most of these appear to have been arrived at independently. We would like to compile commonalities between these and publish a set of plans for replicating. (PESN; December 6, 2013)

Patent Holders

Claims to Working QMoGens

Platinum Invests Group -- Spain

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > Q-Mo-Gens >
    E-MAG Magnetic Propulsion Engine by Platinum Invests Group - A company out of Spain called, Platinum Invests Group, headed by Dr. Umberto Stranieri, appears to have an exotic free energy generator system they call E-MAG that involves magnetic propulsion, which appears to be approaching market readiness. They also have a "molecular dissociation via plasma" technology already implemented. (PESWiki; June 19, 2013)

TechnoKontrol -- Spain

Image:TechnoKontrol_motor-generator_400.jpg

Power JMD -- France

YMNEE -- UK

ValyEnergiStar -- Romania

Image:Valy-Valentin_QMoGen_complete_300.jpg

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    ValyEnergiStar Self-Looped Motor-Generator System - For the first time in our Free Energy News history, Valy Valintin of Romania appears to be selling "Autonomous systems from 10 kW - 100 kW for € 1 per watt." The system appears to entail a motor, wind turbine generator (without the wind), and flywheel. (PESWiki; September 23, 2013)

Vitaly Shilov -- Russia

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Vitaly Shilov QMoGen - Here's another QmoGen (self-looped motor-generator with energy left over). This one is from Russia. They appear to be in production and for sale. They list a 2 kW system for sale for 60,000 Rubles (~$1,806 USD); and a 5 kW system for sale for 100,000 Rubles (~$3,010 USD). (PESWiki; December 2, 2013)
  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen > Vitaly Shilov >
    Romain Bloon's QMoGen - Alleges to have 1 kW and 2 kW generators available for $3300 and $4800, respectively. Appears to be a derivative of Vitaly Shilov's QMoGen out of Russia. System involves motor, alternator, flywheel, battery, inverter in a self-looped arrangement, harnessing the wheelwork of nature. (PESWiki; January 28, 2014)
  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Another QMoGen Sales Website in Russia - They list four different sizes of "Fuelless Generators" (QmoGen self-looped motor-generator with energy left over) for sale: from 1000-Watt to 5000-Watt, ranging from 65,000 Rubles (~$1971 USD) to 110,000 Rubbles (~$3336 USD), a very reasonable price, even if it were a fuel-requiring genset. (PESWiki; December 6, 2013)

Krstan Pejic -- Serbia

OzzoG -- India

  • Featured: Gravity Motors / QMoGen >
    OzzoG Gravity Motor (that might actually be a QMoGen) - Nagendra Singh of Mumbai, India, announced at a press conference on December 16 that he is open to business discussions for the roll-out of his technology that he says is powered by gravity. Allegedly, the generators "are available in 5 KVA, 10 KVA , 20 KVA and 25 KVA configuration..." (PESWiki; January 7, 2014)

Prakash Kumar Arumugam 350 kVA -- India

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Prakash Kumar Arumugam 350 kVA QMoGen from India - "The fuelless, pollution-free Hydraulic Power Generator is powered by three phase motor, which can be powered by external source of any kind for initial running of the system. When the system starts its production, a grid connected panel will automatically switch the power source for external power to the self-created power..." (PESWiki; December 3, 2013)

Jaime Inostroza -- Chile

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Jaime Inostroza's QMoGen - An inventor in Chile who has an HHO product line posted a video in February his motor-generator system that also uses a flywheel. He claims an output of 2.2 kW with an input of 750 W, and says he was later able to self-loop it. (PESWiki; April 16, 2014)

Edwin S -- India

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Edwin S's QMoGen - In July of 2012, an inventor from southern India posted a video of his "free energy" motor-generator system that involves a flywheel as well. He shows it powering a lathe, a light, and a jig saw. Four years ago he posted what appears to be a precursor. (PESWiki; April 16, 2014)

Generator-Motor.info -- Ukraine

Evolucoes Energia -- Brazil

Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) -- USA

  • Featured / OS: Electromagnetic > QMoGen > QEG >
    Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced - HopeGirl yesterday announced that they had finally completed their downloadable plans that will enable to world to open source a modified Tesla free energy technology capable of producing a net output of 10 kW -- enough to power a home. (PESN; March 26, 2014)

Emmett Butler -- USA

See Directory:Emmett L. Butler's QMoGen

On December 15, 2013, Emmett L. Butler commenced posting a blog series on his QMoGen, saying that he plans to post an entire set of instructions of how to build one, saying "I have done this."

He said he has an electric tricycle he rides in parades which is powered by this, and that the crowd has no idea that his system could run continuously without stopping.

German 10 kW

At the Yildiz Demo on April 11 or 12, 2013, I met a couple of businessmen who said they are working on a 10 kW self-looped motor-generator system. They said it works. They're refining it to bring it to market. They don't wish to be made public at this time, other than just vague generalities. -- Sterling

MSVEX Gyro-Generator -- UK

Mike Kantz' Quanta Magnetics -- US

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Mike Kantz' Quanta Magnetics - "What if bifilar coils and toroids were combined?" Most of his machines (kits available for sale) operate on input in the low 10-15W input range, such as from solar panels, and amplifies the ability to charge batteries from those panels via frequency pulse charging of the chemical storage batteries. (PESWiki; December 17, 2013)

Navrattan Free Power Corp. Ltd. -- India

See Directory:Navrattan Free Power Corporation Ltd. - separate feature page

Company in the Punjab province of India, headed by Himansh Verma, claims to have obtained and developed an invention in which a 2 kW motor drives a 7.5 kW generator, that self-loops back to keep the 2 kW motor turning, while producing an excess 5 kW of power to use.

  • Caution - Integrity/reliability is not that great.
  • Featured: Electromagnetic > Q-Mo-Gen >
    Navrattan Free Power Corporation's Q-Mo-Gen - This company from India is what spurred us to begin our Q-Mo-Gen index page, which now lists 22 independent groups & individuals who have come up with a system in which a small motor somehow powers a larger generator, which loops back to keep the smaller motor running, with excess energy left over to use. (PESWiki; June 30, 2013)

JasonDaz -- Philippines

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > Q-Mo-Gen >
    JasonDaz' Self-Looped Motor-Generator - Philippine inventor, Jason Daz, has posted a video that appears to show a self-looped motor-generator system. An external power source starts the system and then is disconnected, at which point the 1 hp (~746 watt) motor turns the 3 kW generator via a belt, which loop back to power the motor, with energy left over. An outlet from the generator then powers a light bulb. (PESWiki; July 10, 2013)

Nigerian Open Source

MidTech -- USA

  • Featured / Top 5: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Midtech Energy Black Box Power Station - On January 11, 2014, Doug Myers of Hutchinson, Kansas, USA, announced that his company, MidTech Energy Solutions LLC, has a 2.5 kW "black box" power system available for purchase for $6500, with a lead time of 2-3 weeks. He told me the interface is UL certified; and a grid-tie option is available. (PESWiki; January 12, 2014)

Genaro Tabag -- Philippines

Raul Melendres -- Philippines

Sohail Anjum

"Chas Chambell Free Energy Generator Replica - Generating 2340 Watts consuming only 750."

Geoffrey Miller / EnergyBat Labs -- USA

Geoffrey S. Miller and his Energybat Labs in Philadelphia, PA, USA, claims to have a 10 kW system that is ready to be tested on a home. He talked about this in the Sept. 5, 2013 interview on the Smart Scarecrow show at time stamp 1:24:09.

It entails a smaller motor that powers a larger generator, looped back, with excess energy available to use.

The generator is off-the shelf, the motor involves some reworking, and there is a circuit involved. So this isn't a design that would lend itself to open sourcing very well.

See:


usweentop -- Indonesia

See Directory:Self-Looped Motor-Generator by usweentop - separate page

On April 21, 2012, an Indonesian inventor posted a video showing a smaller motor powering a larger generator that produces enough power to run the smaller motor, with power left over to run a hammer drill (possibly more). The system is turned on while plugged into the wall. Then a switch is toggled and the cord is unplugged from the wall. Then the self-looped system powers the hammer drill.

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > Self-Looped Motor-Generators >
    Self-Looped Motor-Generator by usweentop - An Indonesian inventor has posted a video showing a smaller motor powering a larger generator that produces enough power to run the smaller motor, with power left over to run a two 1000-watt water heaters. The system is turned on while plugged into the wall. Then a switch is toggled and the cord is unplugged from the wall. (PESWiki; October 9, 2012)

Fernando Sixto Ramos Solano -- Peru

Peruvian inventor who received inventor award in Geneva, Switzerland.

Image:Fernando_Force_Multiplier_300.jpg

Jerry -- Philippines

  • (YouTube / jeryhorse69; July 31, 2011)

McGreg -- USA

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    McGreg's Self-Sustaining QMoGen Generator - An inventor in Spain seeks help in working out the bugs in his alleged self-sustaining generator with flywheel that produces far more energy than it consumes, enough to keep itself running with extra left over to use. (PESWiki; October 7, 2013)

Aviso -- Philippines

Maybe this is what is behind Aviso's effect.

On September 5, 2012, Ismael wrote:

"100% agreed OU..Spisak is the same on planeraty gear like what with Toyota Prius from Small to big gear & vice versa, to get the mechanical advantages. Similar to my OU .. but in the form of capacitor. GEAR = Capacitor... Small volt but big micro farad & vice versa. Big volts with small microfarad at different stages; ...more cheaper & quick to assemble & durable in many millions of times."
"Most gear designers forget the mechanical resonant .. like what Tesla has done on his mechanical oscillator. I think that is one reason why a lot did not reach yet into an applicable level."

ymmot1956 -- Africa

McQueen Machine -- US Patent-holder

UFOPolitics -- USA?

  • "A Quick Demo (Uncut, Unedited...RAW Video) of the First Encounter between a "revived" Old Concept from Nikola Tesla...from His Banned Asymmetrical Machines...and the Chosen ONLY MODEL they had taught Us All...The Symmetry of the Darkness...We are turning a Mecc Alte Generator Head, 6000Watts...with 36V/33Amps Small AGM Battery Bank...and an Asymmetric Rewound-Modified Motor..." (YouTube / UFOPolitics; December 12, 2012)
  • http://www.youtube.com/user/ufopolitics?feature=watch
  • p. 55 of Patrick Kelly doc.

Thirugnanam -- India

Image:Thirugnanam_QMoGen_300.jpg

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Thirugnanam QMoGen from India - This one, featured in an Indian television newscast, looks a bit rough compared to some of the others we've seen. The sparking generator doesn't inspire a sentiment of being ready to bring to market. It's powering a bank of 4-5 approximate 100-Watt incandescent light bulbs. (PESWiki; December 4, 2013)

Tim Hall -- USA

Tim Hall of Kona, Hawaii. <timhall@om1111.com>

Has a DC, 36-V motor running a windmill AC generator, rectifying it and running home lighting. Appeared to have a force multiplier effect.

Motor would spin 1 time, alternator spin 6 times, through gear pulley system.

On May 21, 2012 2:15:25 PM HST, I wrote:

I've got a friend who is using off-the-shelf components involving a certain type of DC motor and a certain kind of alternator whereby he claims to be getting up to 2x more power from a solar panel.
He's getting ~200 W from a 64-W panel set.
It's the craziest thing. You would never expect it to work, but would expect it to diminish per expected losses.
He wants to get independent validation of the technology, but also wants to protect the proprietary idea under conditions of confidentiality.
If you have access to solar panels (probably not required, could be any DC source?), and you're interested in enter under NDA to replicate the effect, let me know. Also, perhaps you want to wait until after 1 or 2 others have replicated it first.
I have a recording of our phone call today if you want to listen to it (after signing NDA).
He's going to supply me with a parts list and instructions, which should be ready by tomorrow morning.
He's willing to open source it, if it's valid, through NEST/PES.

Roobert33 -- USA?

Partial effects illustrated:

(380,569 visits since posting on August 25, 2011)
"This video is only for the purpose of vision and curiosity, it has nothing of use in the field of application of free energy. Test to see how long it takes a generator to run an electric motor.
The current from the batteries goes to the motor that attached to the generator shaft refers the current to the engine and everything goes as long as it doesn't decay for electrical load and friction."

(356,476 visits since posting on Dec 17, 2011)

Tom Mc Nulty -- USA?

The following images are copied from https://www.facebook.com/tom.mcnulty.547?fref=ts as they appeared on July 12, 2013. He apparently posted them on October 29, 2012, and labeled them "Self running generators".

Image:Tom-McNulty_Q-mo-gen.jpg Image:Tom-McNulty Q-mo-gen side.jpg

Doug Konzen -- USA

  • Featured / OS: Electromagnetic > Self-Looped Motor-Generators >
    Doug Konzen (Konehead) on Self-Looped Generators - "Yes, I know HOW...but I do not have any "motor-generator" looper in my possession. But [I] do have some test-models... What you need is a generator that doesn't slow [down] when it makes power, in fact, one that SPEEDS UP when it makes power is even better [than one that just self-sustains]. (PESWiki; December 5, 2012)

James D. Hardy -- USA?

Bowling Effect -- USA?

alex993cc1 -- USA?

Playing on the edges of the effect:

50 Years ago -- USA

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGen >
    Witness to QMoGens fifty years ago - Texan, Tim Peters describes having seen two different QMoGens (self-looped motor-generator systems with energy left over to use) by two separate inventors. One in the 1930s-1940s, and the other in the 1960s, producing 2 to 30 times more energy than they consumed. Comment on the McQueen patent problem. (PESN; December 14, 2013)

USA anon

~August 2012

Scott Bales of DeepEarthBunkers, and host to a program on the Discovery Channel, was talking to me the other day about someone doing something along these lines. I sent him a link to this page and asked if this was along the same lines, and he replied today:

"Exactly."

S. African FFG

WITTS -- USA

BUYER BEWARE: "I know people who have given Tim a lot of money and have never gotten anything for it." -- Quote from a pillar in the community, September 5, 2012

(1,765,084 visits since posting on Aug 28, 2010)

Chuck Pierce's Regen -- USA

Most probably bogus.

  • Featured / Best Exotic > Electromagnetic > Q-Mo-Gen > Regen >
    Chuck Pierce's Regen Demo Blog - I've created a blog to give you a play-by-play report leading up to, during, and following the demo of Chuck Pierce's "Regen" technology, which involves a "self-looped motor-generator with energy left over to use" -- 17 kW, supposedly, originally scheduled for August 8. We plan(ned) to have around 15 kW of load, both resistive (lights) and inductive (motors). (PESWiki; August 7, 2013)

Joe Tomicki -- USA

Probably bogus.

  • Featured / OS: Electromagnetic > Self-Looped Motor-Generators >
    OS: Motor-Alternator Self-Looped System by Joe Tomicki (Probably bogus) - An inventor from Dallas, TX, is openly sharing a system that entails hooking up a motor to an alternator that powers a bank of batteries which powers a house through an inverter (similar to a solar setup). The three batteries in series that power the drive motor are manually topped off as needed through a battery charger that also plugs into the inverter. (PESWiki; December 4, 2012)

Steven Spisak -- USA

See Directory:Steven Spisak's Self-Looped Motor-Generator - separate page

Steven Spisak claims to have build several working versions of a self-looped motor-generator in the several-kilowatt level, some of which are powering people's houses. However, he has never provided any evidence to corroborate anything he has ever claimed in the past: No receipts, no photos, no videos, no witnesses willing to corroborate. His recent "rebuild" attempts seem more like first-time R&D than of repeating previous success. The design is ever changing, the costs increasing. None of his recent stuff has worked in self-looped manner. Yet. (Sterling D. Allan; September 1, 2013)

QMoGens Being Developed

Romero -- USA?

"This is my version of a generator powered by a motor."

Jose Costa -- USA

Gainsville, Florida

  • Jose Costa's QMoGen Progress - Shows a 1 HP motor turning a 7.5 kW generator at full speed. Says he hasn't been able to self-loop it yet. (Free Energy Blog; November 17, 2013)

Bogus

MrTurboturbine -- USA?

  • Featured: QMoGen > MrTurboturbine >
    QMoGen by MrTurboturbine (Bogus) - The set-up is similar to the QMoGen arrangement we've seen so many times now (this is the 33rd) in which a smaller motor powers a larger generator, with enough power left over to loop back to keep the motor running, while producing excess power for practical use. (PESWiki; November 29, 2013)

History

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > QMoGens > Emmett Butler >
    QMoGen history: Metadyne, Navy Amplidyne, 1882 patent - Emmett Butler writes: "In 1928 the concept and theory of a motor to generator with a small input to larger output was discussed in a scientific paper and was called the Metadyne. Altho it was actually patented in 1882 by A.I. Graivier in Paris, later in 1907 by Rosenburg and others in Great Britain and elsewhere..." (Free Energy Blog; December 21, 2013)

In the News

See also: News:QMoGen and News:Electromagnetic and News:Best Exotic Free Energy Technologies - for technology developments

The following are news items that specifically mention or feature this index page.

  • Featured: Electromagnetic > Self-Looped Motor-Generators >
    Self-Looped Motor-Generator by usweentop - An Indonesian inventor has posted a video showing a smaller motor powering a larger generator that produces enough power to run the smaller motor, with power left over to run a two 1000-watt water heaters. The system is turned on while plugged into the wall. Then a switch is toggled and the cord is unplugged from the wall. (PESWiki; October 9, 2012)
  • Featured / Top 5: Electromagnetic >
    Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over - Featuring a number of systems in which a motor turns a larger output generator, and the generator is producing enough energy to keep the motor running, as well as enough left over to power other things. A starter motor, temporarily, gets it going; then it stays going until turned off. Energy source could have something to do with phase angle harvesting vacuum energy. (PESWiki; September 5, 2012)

Forum

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-Mo-Gen - An open source project to prove, validate, characterize, improve, theorize the scientific reasoning, and propagate the self-looped motor-generator concept in which a smaller motor powers a larger generator, with power from the generator keeping the motor going, with energy left over for practical use.

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