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Dec. 4, 2004 Report from Rick Friedrich's Replication of John Bedini's Simplified 'School Girl' Motor and Battery Energizer
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Dec. 4, 2004
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/412
From: "rickfriedrich" <rickfriedrich{at}yahoo{dot}com>
To: <Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Harlan Sanders reports in
Thanks John for sending this report from Sanders. Looking forward to
more information about it. I went to the small Sanders site and
found nine small pictures of the wheel with two areas on the
cirucuit whited out. Each picture could be enlarge (picture 8 does
not work half way). I did a web search on Harlan Sanders and found
some info about the original site being taken down and a report
about someone else taking it over. On the Sanders site mentioned
below it says "Welcome to the home of the REAL Harlan Sanders". In
my research using http://www.archive.org/ I was able to see the
pages before they were removed. On the site was some info on a
another Bedini pulse motor that we were talking about before (which
I was mistanken about). Sanders claimed some success then in 2003
with that machine. There is also two short videos of John's machine
with John speaking. Anyway it seems there is bits of information
about these Bedini processes floating around here and there over the
last few years or more. As I am just beginning to understand these
things it has been helpful for me to understand the big picture by
examining all the different machines.
I do agree that it is important to follow directions exactly. Some of us have to work with what we have until further parts come in. I started out with the spinning CDs (which I soon upgraded to 6 instead of 4). They were still spinning and charging two of my useless batteries (that I also had tried to charge with regular chargers and which would not go above 12 volts, etc.) till I used the circuit and coil for my new 17 inch wheel. The batteries took a long time to rise in voltage. But in the last few days they have increased faster. They were about 13.5 volts while I had not rotated them but kept them on steady charge. They have not be charged with any other charger since I started. The powering battery is the deep cell which has been charged with a regular charger a few times. I think I am seeing something happening here. I realize that the CD rotor is not what was called for since it is the exact circuit and is charging it should do something. I had read somewhere on the web site that the magnets needed to be separated by at least 1.5 magnets for it to work. The CD magnets have that much space. And the next setup I did had a little more space. But then Peter said I need to keep the magnets at least three spaces apart from each other. I tried that on my large wheel but that had too much resistance to continue to spin. But two days ago I put together my newly found old 17 inch plastic wheel. I put the magnets three spaces apart and set up a wooden frame (I'll post pictures later). The wheel would not keep spinning with the setup as in the others. My friend suggested I spin it the other way. I did not think it would make a difference but it did. And it has been spinning constantly since (until I moved it). It did get faster and faster in the two days running even though that was not corresponding to the voltage levels in either batteries (when they were higher or lower the speed kept increasing). I have continued to rotate charging my two new batteries. I am acutally showing a very slow overall drop in voltage charge (with this and the other wheel). This new wheel has bad bearings though (which are getting better!). We cleaned them out and put new grease in them but they are worn. I will see what I can do about improving any of my three bike wheels today (Now I have made the two plastic wheels better). The other thing that slightly works against these batteries is that they are in 20 degree F temperatures (the CD motors are inside though).
This email was slowly written throughout the day as can be seen. I decided to stop my successful spinning CDs to use my best coil and circuit for the new plastic wheel with 15 magnets on it. I figured that that 17 inch wheel is more along the lines of the SG project than the CDs. I set up the wheel inside where the CDs were spinning (picture coming later) and it runs faster than I can count. What was interesting was that I had started charging the deep cell powering battery and had it disconnected to the circuit. While charging I had the wheel with a magnet directly over the coil about 1/8'. When I connected the circuit I noticed the wheel started to spin by itself. Then, because I had hit one of the magnets and was attempting to glue it back on, I stopped the wheel by disconnecting the battery. When I connected it again I noticed a faint very low rumbling sound with no movement at the wheel (while the magnet was directly over the coil). I was going to record this sound but first unplugged my charger (which is the new processor controlled kind). There was no sound after that. The sould was coming from the coil and not the circuit or charger. When I tried to do it again by plugging it in, I could not make the sound. I gather that the sound occurred only when the charger was charging. For my charger often keeps charging and showing a less than 100% charge on batteries, even though when I unplug it and replug it in it will then show 100% as is the case. So it appears that if I have it on charge with no wheel movement, while the batter is not 100% charged, it might make that noise again. I have not checked it again since 2 hours ago.
I decided to follow the advice of others with my CD circuit 9v battery charging setup. I used my 4 magnet CD rotor on my newly built CD drive base. I hooked up two non-chargeable 9v batteries to the charging end (in parallel), with one rechargeable 9v battery on the powering end in parallel with a 9v adapter that gave out 9.2v unconnected to anything else. The dead charging batteries increased their voltage from 7.5 to 9 within 45 minutes. I had to figure out where to put the coil as the CDs would spin too fast if within 1/2' of the coil. It is somewhere between 3/4' to 1/2'. I found 3/4 inch too far away and the CD eventually stopped. I also found that at the present place the CD would speed up and slow down noticeably. There was no other current draw in my home during those moments.
It looks like I will be able to charge up the 9v batteries much faster than the car 12v and deep cells. I have many 9v batteries for smoke detectors that all just died recently. They all went off within a few days beeping at me from every direction. They are all the same batteries discharged to the same point. Lets see if we can charge them all up! But the first batteries being charged are different from each other, one being dead, another being new. I will see how they charge over the next few days before I try and charge four or more of the same batteries mentioned.
I also got my 22' plastic fan stationary bike wheel going again in an upright position instead of horizontal. It was spinning at about 60 RPM when I started it. I am using the 2 new deep cell batteries for it (with the double knife switch for easy rotation every 12 hours or so).
I will now go and check out how they are all doing and film them.
I hope that at least those of us who have some success in building these SG machines will be able to have access to the advanced added diodes circuit.
Thanks for the report,
Rick
Additional update
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/415 [1] (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/415)
I was able to upload three sets of new pictures and videos to my site:
http://truthinheart.com/JohnBedini.html
The videos are low quality (originals are good and are saved). The low quality videos do not show the multimeter numbers at times.
The pictures and videos are of the three new setups I have which I mentioned last email.
The longer video of my new 17' wheel setup shows the rumble phenomena. This only takes place when I am 2amp tricle charging the powering battery while the circuit is hooked up and the magnets are over the coil. While the magnets move away the low rumble fades out. The older kind of charger (non-processor) did not produce this when charging at two or 12 amps. Can someone explain this?
[Please note that if many people attempt to watch the videos at the same time they may not work at that time.]
Rick
Sterling's Feedback
Dec. 4, 2004
Hi Rick,
Interesting report.
I've heard that the Bedini circuit does charge at least certain non-rechargeable batteries. As before, one should exercise precautions when experimenting -- fire extinguisher on hand, eye protection, washing hands after battery handling, etc.
Remember, too, that a battery's voltage level is not necessarily a good measure of what the battery's capacity is, and just a rise in voltage does not mean a battery is now that much more "powerful." You need some means of detecting the capacity of the battery for your data to be more meaningful.
Regarding the resonance you observed while the charger was connected, I will offer this explanation.
The solid state resonance can be hard to get to. I've not been able to get solid state resonance ever since I monkeyed around with the gap distance between the coil and my wheel. I just happened to have stumbled onto an ideal distance in my first assembly (I've not rigorously pursued it). The windows for solid state resonance are more narrow, especially of the audible resonance. I'm guessing that while your charger is plugged in, your input battery's voltage is enough higher that it is in a range that activates that solid state window, but when you disconnect the charger, the voltage drops below a level that works for that window.
I would predict that you could achieve the resonance without the charger by slightly adjusting the resistance on the resistor in the circuit.
Sterling
Rick's Response
Sterling,
I am aware of the voltage limitations. I have not had the time or interest to test the batteries with load tests yet because I have not been confident that my machines have been properly set up as they should be. And since my batteries are mostly bad batteries I believe they will take longer to be restored and supercharged. There may be some gain on them presently but I do not think they are ready to be load tested yet. I also need to get some more equipment to test things. Although when I get a little more time next week I will try and do some load tests with what I have (I have a small inverter, and several things to put loads on 9 volt batteries).
I will try and be careful with overcharging. I just checked all three machines and batteries. All were running fine (some increase on the voltage of the 17' charging batteries). I left the two plastic wheels running (which appear to be going a little faster), and the CD wheel/9v charger I stopped for the night. The two charging batteries (which are not rechargeable, were almost at 12 volts while it was running. They were cold to the touch as the rest of the room. The other battery hooked up in parallel with the 9v. power supply, which is a new rechargeable battery, went down to about 1 volt. The first two batteries mentioned, being charged, after I disconnected the power, started dropping to 10 something volts. I left it with the CDs stopped and a magnet in front of the coil about a half inch. We will see what happens to the voltage over night. I will replace all of these batteries with four equal dead ones and nothing on the powering side but the 9v power supply inverted from the AC outlet as some have suggested. I will also test the other batteries somehow.
As for my low rumbling sound. It cannot be just a matter of increasing the voltage or amp charge as my other charger did not cause the same phenomena at either 2 or 12 amps. The new charger I have is computerized to give an optimized charge. It claims to be able to charge 2 or 3 times as fast by continually checking the battery and charging at various predetermined rates that bring the battery back to charge (supposedly in the safest and healthiest way). So as I see it, the charger is not only charging the one battery and supplying excess energy into the circuit to charge and move the wheel and charge the other batteries (at least partly, the other charge beyond the amps reading is the radiant energy), but it also somehow is reacting with the coil/magnets. It does not appear to be just a certain level of voltage here.
Next day and night
Every time I try and see if rumbling takes place it does just as at first (only with the one charger). These batteries are charging at about 13.68 last I checked many hours ago. This new wheel may be an improvement from the CDs. In the very early morning of the 6th I did count the RPM to be 134. The four 9v batteries are still charging at 10.91 volts on the other charger. The 22' wheel charger has maintained a rpm of around 70. The batteries being rotated on the knife switch are gradually decreasing in charge (I realize that if I hooked up three more batteries of the same kind that I would see much more interesting results. But these batteries cost me $85 each and I can't afford to spend more on batteries presently. After I supercharge these batteries and get a proper battery load discharger/tester I may get more identical batteries and compare them.
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