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Data from Marcus's Replication of a variant of John Bedini's Simplified 'School Girl' Motor and Battery Energizer
- Summary
- Marcus reports the results of his slight modification of the Bedini SG. Data shows 175% efficiency, but certain factors are not being taken into consideration, or at least should be accounted for in a future experiment to lay questions to rest.
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Description of Experiment and Findings
(EDIT: after some discussions, this seems to be a kind of a milk-maiden calculation. It doesn't take into account that at lower voltage a Battery will recharge at a faster rate and then tops off as it reachs the full level. Same goes into other direction: The driving-Battery will discharge slowly at first but then begins to fall rapidly. So NO over-unity yet? I think so now, too... But I will not give up.)
I wound a new coil. This time I used thinner wire for the #30-wire "trigger-coil", so that I had more space for the big #20-winding. The special of the coil: It's a "flux-accelerator"-coil, the current is driven through it's own core, that shall accelerate the flux/charges like in one of Hans Cooler's Devices from the late 40's.
Here my construction steps for the "special" coil:
1) The very core of all is a M8 stainless-steel-screw. Around this I wound around 200 Turns of #18-equal iron-"garden"-wire (enamelled). During winding I payed attention to the fact that the core later shall nicely fit into the "coil-base-form", around the Bedini-coil is wound. This is the complete core.
2) I wound the Bedini-Coil as usual. Around 900 turns of #20 and #30 Wire together.
3) I fit the special core into the Bedini-Coil. After that I connected the end of the #20-wire to the start of the #18 winding. The start of the #20-winding goes to Plus, the end of the #18-iron-wire-winding goes to the collector. The signal coil just as usual.
The circuit is just as the standart-circuit. I'm just using a 1000uF, 35V capacitor across the driving Battery. I found that somewhat helps to decrease and smooth the input-current.
The Wheel? There's no more wheel in this! Solid state only, as flying magnets hurt! ;c)
The Batteries I uses are 4 of the very same 12V 1.3aH/20h valve-regulated rechargables. The driving Battery (#4) was pre-conditionized (supercharged) on the SG and did NOT trickle-charge it after that. The 3 other Batterys which I had declared for beeing the charging-ones, I depleted them with a load INDIVIDUALLY down to #1=11,63V; #2=11,69V and #3=10,92V (didn't pay attention and drained it more than the others...). The driving Battery had a voltage after settle-down from supercharging of 12,8 Volts (Backdropped from 16 V on supercharge overnight).
Here are some measurements of the Voltages: (#1-3 = charge; #4=drive)
Pre-Start:
#1 = 11,63
#2 = 11,69
#3 = 10,92
#4 = 12,80
Directly after connecting to circuit and starting of charge:
#1 = 11,63 <-same
#2 = 11,69 <-same
#3 = 11,08 <-huge jump 0,16 V
#4 = 12,79 <-small drop 0,01 V
After 10 Minutes:
#1 = 11,63 <-still no charge
#2 = 11,69 <- "
#3 = 11,38 <-huge jump of 0,30 V
#4 = 12,65 <-huge drop of 0,14 V
After 15 Minutes:
#1 = 11,65 <-begins to charge, too
#2 = 11,70 <- "
#3 = 11,50 <-huge jump of 0,12 V
#4 = 12,62 <-calms down in dropping, drop now only 0,02
After 20 Minutes:
#1 = 11,65 <-did not charge, again
#2 = 11,70 <- "
#3 = 11,54 <- increase of 0,04 V
#4 = 12,60 <- drop of 0,02 V
After 25 Minutes:
#1 = 11,66 <- increase 0,01 V
#2 = 11,71 <- increase 0,01 V
#3 = 11,57 <- increase 0,03 V
#4 = 12,58 <- drop 0,02 V
After 30 Minutes:
#1 = 11,67 <- increase 0,01 V
#2 = 11,71 <- no change
#3 = 11,60 <- increase 0,03 V
#4 = 12,57 <- drop 0,01 V
(a lot of measurments later...)
After 1,5 hours:
#1 = 11,75
#2 = 11,76
#3 = 11,71
#4 = 12,39
After 3 hours:
#1 = 11,82
#2 = 11,83
#3 = 11,80
#4 = 12,18
After 5,5 hours. End of charging. Disconnected Batteries:
#1 = 11,91
#2 = 11,91
#3 = 11,9
#4 = 11,89
After 6 hours. End of letting the Batterys settle down:
#1 = 11,84
#2 = 11,86
#3 = 11,8
#4 = 12,08
- END RESULTS
- Volts spent: 0,72
- Volts gained: 1,26
- Efficiency: 175%
Experimental Set-up Overview
Data
Please see my Excel-File at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/files/marcus_fluxcore.xls
All Diagrams are based on Voltage readings.
Discussion
Observations and Ramifications/Conclusions
1) I think if I had added some more Batterys or used at least 4 on the charging-end, the efficiency would have been even better...
2) Still have to find out, if that special "flux-accelerator-core" is worth the work of winding it. Comarisation to all-standart-SG pending.
Please feel free to ask/correct/hate me at: a.fallen.angel@gmx.de (mailto:a.fallen.angel@gmx.de?subject=Bedini_SG_flux_data)
Protocol and Materials
Circuit: Please see schematic above. Base-resistance = around 2K Ohms.
Batteries: 4x 12V 1.3aH/20h valve-regulated lead-acid-gel Battries
Protocol: Charge one Battery to full an use as driving-Battery. Put 3 or 4 discharged (to 10.5V loaded / 11,7V unloaded) Batteries of same type to charging end. Charge until driving Batterie reaches desired break-off-voltage of 10,5V or any other point you decide, like the equilibrium-point where all Batteries have near same voltage. So did I.
Starting: Just plug a Magnet to the coil and it starts oscillating.
Feedback
- Makes new kind of perpetual motion - comment moved to discussion page. Is theory, not experimentally supported.
Contributing Factors
Comment by Sterling Allan Jan. 1, 2005
Hi Marcus. While these results appear to show over unity, there are at least two factors I can think of that argue against this conclusion, based on what I have found with a similar set-up.
1) Batteries that are low will increase in voltage rapidly below their optimal range. Your batteries being charged fit this classification. So one increment of change of voltage in a lower range is not the same amount of "power" as one increment of change in the battery's optimal range.
2) You should have discharged your input battery down as far your charging batteries were at to begin. If you had done so, you would have seen that the average voltage curve would swing back down, and that the final average voltage would be slightly less than when you started. I've seen this numerous times.
Keep trying.
Other say they have done it
Quoting from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/644
From: "butlergrt" <butlergrt{at}yahoo{dot}com> Date: Sat Jan 1, 2005 5:49 pm Subject: Re: 175% not a fair conclusion:Maybe-Maybe Not
Sterling,
The points you make in 1. and 2. are indeed valid, BUT, merely because a certain set of data fits a generalized grouping is in no way indicative that that is the case. All crows are black, the one that is not, invalidates that presumption!
1). I, too, have taken batteries of low voltage and have had them charged quite well on the Sg as Marcus has done and have had the same results. That is not counting in a 29% factoring as you and others are doing, that is straight battery to battery charge and increase over input circuitry battery, plus a continuous load of (4) 1.5 volt bulbs in series for a total of 6 volts at 25 ma. from a secondary coil to the rotator.
2). I have discharged my batteries with a 12 volt 22 watt halogen lite (1.66amps) as a load and still have obtained OU, a week and a half ago sent the data to John and another collaborator and talked to them both.
Marcus may be wrong in his interpretation and then again he may not, I have had OU in a variety of configurations since the 3rd week of November on this particular unit, "the black widow", only because you are close and have worked hard and long on it and have not achieved OU, does not mean that others have not!
Keep trying, you're close
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