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Page first featured December 26, 2008

The noble (inert) gas engine by PlasmERG, Inc., with very few moving parts could potentially (when mass produced) cost a third, or less, what a regular engine of comparable output costs. Meanwhile, its fuel cost is negligible -- approximately $0.71 per cylinder charge, which lasts a few months. It has a zero carbon footprint.

It's kind of like a Stirling engine -- a sealed system -- except that the expanding component is internal, and comes by way of a plasma form of inert, noble gasses, which are not consumed in the process, and which are environmentally benign anyway. The expansion of the gases moves the piston in a way similar to how steam does

Known as the "Plasmic Transition Process (tm)" Engine, it is essentially a 3rd generation Papp engine based on PlasmERG designs and discoveries.

This technology could totally revolutionizing the renewable industry, making most solar, wind, geothermal, and other forms of renewable energy obsolete because it would be so much more clean, reliable and affordable.

John Rohner and Haik Biglari think they have figured out how it works, and have come up with improvements that they think will make the engine commercially viable. They say they have interested a number of universities and engine corporations with the computer modeling the have done. The first six test engines are expected to be completed by Dec. of 2009. They will be trying various gas combinations.

John Rohner says that two of the universities involved plan to begin teaching this as a new science in the semester or quarter following successful demonstration of the technology.

These test engines purportedly will output 120 HP, running on two cylinders, 120 cubic inches total displacement. Rohner thinks that the life expectancy of such an engine would be in the range of 500k to 800,000 miles.

Three companies have been created to handle various facets of this technology, and all are now "ready to go." Rohner Motor Inc. will handle the motor manufacturing. Plasmic Controls Inc. will handle the motor control units. Plasmerg will handle licensing and patents. John Rohner says 1/2 of each company is available in stock.

Others who have been in the Papp / noble gas engine industry for a long time have expressed skepticism about the Rohner's claims, but would be glad to see someone actually accomplish the things the Rohners say they will be able to do. The industry has a long and somewhat bloody history.

John Rohner's competitor brother, Bob, has been particularly active in fighting against PlasmERG's progress.

Contents

About

Official Websites for John Rohner and Dr. Haik Biglari

Other Domain Names Owned by PlasmERG

The company has purchased over 100 domain names, including:

Interviews

How it Works

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"A hermeticly sealed gas chamber is filled with a charge of a relatively inexpensive, abundant, and harmless special inert gas. This gas is subjected to a controlled Excitement, to create a powerful Plasmic Transmisive Process expansion, now patented by PlasmERG, reversal, of the Process causes a contraction, recombination, leaving the gases ready to cycle again."
"This engine does not require any oxygen to operate nor does it expel anything. That makes it virtually atmospheric pollutant free. There is oil to lube the bearings and some very minut amount of that could become gaseous so it is not perfect and it creates no discernible heat. The small heat rise is one of the points that traditional physicists jump on to say it "can not" work. They did this to "Cold fusion" too. They know that according to the conservation of energy theory, no energy can be provided without a direct proportion of heat."

22" wide, 10" long, 8" tall. Put out around 135 HP (between 120 - 150 HP, depending on gas mixture). Licensing the technology. 1 kW; 5 moving parts, no valves, no cam shafts. Bearings are roller bearings. About 1/3 cost; up time over 1 million MTBS. Will require servicing, at end of fifth cycle ~ 4 years.

An anonymous PES Wiki contributor wrote:

"It is an internal combustion (IC) engine that has no intake and no exhaust ports, or even a radiator. The engine’s primary input fuel is electrical power to run the ignition electronics, which pulse a mixture of noble gases to help form charged plasma. The motor has a hermetically sealed cylinder & piston assembly containing a noble gas mixture of helium, neon, argon, krypton, and xenon. These gases get preconditioned and then subjected to precise controlled electronic, magnetic and mechanical manipulation and radiation effects to create a powerful expansion and contraction effect. Multiple electrodes of complex design produce what is believed to be a very hot electric discharge plasma in the noble gas mixture that reaches unusual conditions liberating energy from some yet unknown source that is about 100 times greater than the energy put into the electrodes. Roughly 1kW is needed to run the motor’s electronic controls and over 100 hp comes out. Two- and four-cylinder engines were built over the years from 1968 until Joseph Papp died of colon cancer in 1989. Replication the original engine is difficult without the understanding of the inner workings of the entire engine and gas mixture and ignition timing. Moreover, a 2-stroke design vs. 4-stroke design has been the favored optimal configuration. There is only a two stroke - four stroke is impossible. - BR

Videos

Note
These videos which are claimed to be from Rohner Motor are in fact videos created by Bob Rohner which show the history of Bob and Tom's involvement with Papp and the engines built by them. John Rohner and Haik Biglari were in no way involved with the design, operation, or testing of these engines.

(4.25 Minutes)

  • Papp Gas Plasma Engine - This dyno video shows Bob's engine putting out over 100hp. A DC motor to drive this would weigh 3/4 of a ton and need #000 wires.

That's also Bob Rohner's certified AW Dyno it is connected to. (YouTube; June 26, 2008)

- - - -


(1 hour 11 Minutes)

  • Jim Sabori's Papp Engine A two-cycle engine demonstrates power output up to 500 HP on a dynamometer; and a one-cycle engine with Plexiglas cylinder shows ignition of noble gas in vacuum process, which current physics says is impossible. (Google Video; March 15, 2006)

Once again, people don't know what they are seeing. The dyno is not reading 500 horsepower, it's reading 11 horsepower at 500 ft-lbs of torque at about 115 rpm. In addition you should note that the engine putting out this low speed power is the one built by Bob and Tom Rohner and the video is just a copy of our work. Regarding the one-cylinder, the credit should go to a Mr. Herb Gambol an associate of Bob Rohner's for discovering this reaction. It should be noted that the noble gas is not in a vacuum at all since by being there, it is not a vacuum. Also note that "ignition" is a very poor choice of words, since it implies an explosion requiring oxygen of which there is none. If people are to ever understand the Papp engine and believe in its abilities, it is important to keep the terms straight. Above, John Rohner says its like a sterling engine, it however, has nothing in common with this type of motor. (Bob Rohner)

Costs

  • Engine projected to cost 1/3 of an engine of comparable output.
  • Fuel costs: ~$6/year.

Advantages

  • Inert gas engine; plasma expansion motor.
  • No combustible fuels used.

Applications

Not going to build motors for anything other than OEM; going to license to companies that make motors.

Independent Testing

  • Prototypes; 5 to be built, January 2009.

Patents

US 2011/0113772

Abstract 
An internal expansion engine having a housing. Secured to the housing is a cylinder defining an expansion chamber. A piston is provided within the cylinder defining a wall of the expansion chamber. A charge of noble gas is provided within the expansion chamber. A magnetic field generator and fadio frequency power generator is provided around the expansion chamber and an initiator system is located within the expansion chamber. The magnetic field generator, radio frequency power generator and initiator system coact to cause the noble gas to expand, pushing against the piston and generating work. The actions of the engine are monitored and controlled by an intelligent electronic control system that provides all switching needed to operate the engine and communicate with outside elements providing external control of information sources.
  • Featured / Best Exotic FE: Noble Gas Engines > PlasmERG >
    PlasmERG Preps Factory as Patent Published - The U.S. Patent Office has published PlasmERG's "Plasmic Transition Process Motor" patent application that details the game changing Noble Gas Engine that is now being readied for production in Henderson, Nevada. Consuming little fuel and producing massive power, this engine holds the potential to revolutionize the energy landscape. (PESN and BeforeItsNews; June 16, 2011)
    • Link includes large, labeled image.

Profiles

Company: Plasmic Energy Controls, Inc.

Two government grants.

Intelligentry Ltd.

Inventor: Joseph Papp

Initially, Joseph Papp, then the brothers Bob, Tom and John Rohner.

Coverage

In the News

  • Best Exotic FE: Noble Gas Engines > PlasmERG >
    PlasmERG Meetings (no link; just quick f.y.i.) - I'm in the middle of a move, so I'm not going to the March 22-25 PlasmERG meetings, but I am scheduled to interview John Rohner on March 27, which we'll be posting shortly after that. I also plan on driving down to Henderson, NV maybe a couple of weeks after that. (Sterling D. Allan; March 21, 2012)
  • Featured / Best Exotic FE > Top 5 >
    Cheat Sheet for January 21, 2012 Coast to Coast Show - Hank Mills pulled together this listing of talking points as a briefing about the Top 5 Free Energy Technologies and runners up, to assist me in my interview with John B. Wells last night on Coast to Coast AM last night. There is a lot more information here than I was able to get to on air. -- Sterling Allan (PESN; January 22, 2012)
  • Featured / Best Exotic FE: Noble Gas Engines > PlasmERG > Anomoly >
    Video Part I of PlasmERG's Anomaly - Oops, I inadvertently posted Part II twice in the story we posted the other day about John Rohner's test device that appears to produce an anomalous heat, and electrical power producing effect. In this interview at the ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference, he describes the device and anomaly it produces. (YouTube / PESNetwork; July 30, 2011)
  • Featured / Best Exotic FE: Noble Gas Engines > PlasmERG >
    PlasmERG Preps Factory as Patent Published - The U.S. Patent Office has published PlasmERG's "Plasmic Transition Process Motor" patent application that details the game changing Noble Gas Engine that is now being readied for production in Henderson, Nevada. Consuming little fuel and producing massive power, this engine holds the potential to revolutionize the energy landscape. (PESN and BeforeItsNews; June 16, 2011)
  • Best Exotic FE / Zeitgeist > Trends >
    Trends Research predictions for 2011 -- Teaser (pdf) - In the midst of some dire predictions, the much-revered Gerald Celente's upcoming journal teaser says: "In laboratories and workshops unnoticed by mainstream analysts, scientific visionaries and entrepreneurs are forging a new physics incorporating principles once thought impossible, working to create devices that liberate more energy than they consume...." (Trends Research; December 2010)
  • Featured: Awards / Noble Gas Engines > PlasmERG >
    PlasmERG among EE Times' ACE Award finalists - PlasmERG Inc, who is developing a noble gas plasma expansion motor providing clean, cheap, and reliable power has been selected as a top five finalist among the "Most Promising Renewable Energy Technologies" category for EE Times' prestigious Annual Creativity in Electronics (ACE) Awards. (PESN; March 3, 2010) (Comments)
  • Featured / Events: Free Energy > Exotic > Discussion >
    Top 10 Clean Energy Lists by Others - When I proposed my short list for top 10 consideration last month, several other free energy industry experts, including Jim Dunn, David Yurth, Joel Garbon, and Ken Rauen, chimed in with their own lists of favorites. What about you? Do you know of one that should be listed? (Examiner; Jan. 16, 2010)
  • Featured: Engines > Noble Gas > Rohner >
    Noble gas motor update - John Rohner provides an update on their motor, which would cost about as much as a regular motor, but would use virtually no fuel. They're in process of preparing manufacturing lines for when they're ready to begin mass producing, though they're still early in the testing phase. (PESN; Sept. 21, 2009) (Comment)
  • Featured: Papp engine / Plasma >
    Plasma Expansion Motor Could Revolutionize Renewable Industry - Nobel (inert) gas engine patterned after the Papp Engine, would cost 1/3 what a comparable output engine would cost, while its fuel would cost a few dollars per month -- negligible; totally revolutionizing the renewable industry. Six test engines expected to be completed soon. (PESWiki; Dec. 26, 2008)


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Contact


John Rohner, Vice President
PlasmERG Inc.
1051 Olsen St, Suite 4211
Henderson, NV 89011
Phone - 319-248-9804
(Cell) 319-331-9395


E-Mail: jprohner@plasmerg.com


Dr. Haik Biglari, P.E.
Sr. Director of Engineering
Fairchild Controls
540 Highland Street
Frederick, MD 21701
Phone: 301-228-3538
E-Mail: hbiglari@simomatics.com

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