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Academy:Video of Jimmy Sabori's Papp Engine Variants
The Sabori Inert Gas Vacuum Engine
Video of Jimmy Sabori's Papp Engine variants. Features a two-cycle engine demonstrates power output up to 500 HP on a dynamometer; and a one-cycle engine with Plexiglas cylinder shows ignition of noble gas in vacuum process, which current physics says is impossible.
New Energy Congress member, and science advisor to PES Network, Ken Rauen, who has had extensive direct involvement with the Joseph Papp engine technology, says that what is shown below as a working device is not Sabori's work, but that of Joseph Papp, and that Sabori's work is not worth chasing. He provides some background in who's who in the field, including some developments that are imminent. Click here
- Several smaller clips on the Sabori noble gas site.
- http://stream.osen.org/aag/Noble-Gas-340.wmv - 60 minutes, streaming
- Sabori's Papp Noble-Gas Engine Video Documentary - Google Video; 60 min.
Video courtesy John Hutchison, who was involved in shooting at least some of the footage and producing at least some of the original video segments.
Adrien Stone of www.hutchisoneffect.ca produced the excerpts video in 2004. It was compiled and digitised from a vhs tape John Hutchison was given for his birthday in 1994. Some clips are of poor quality. Harold Bernd arranged the permanent hosting in exchange for an advanced copy of the disk in 2005.
OSEN is hosting the video.
"The Sabori Inert Gas Vacuum Engine"
According to the video, a forerunner to this engine was brought to U.S. by Hungarian, Joseph Papp. Sabori joined him in 1985, investing a large sum of money in a joint venture. Mr. Papp refused to share, per contract agreement. The case ended in court in Tulsa OK in 1988. In a settlement, the judge instructed Papp to share with Sabori and to share ownership: Papp 51%, Sabori 49%. Joseph Papp died the next year of colon cancer, taking the technology to the grave with him, having destroyed all ..., formulas, equations; leaving Sabori with nothing.
During last five years (per the time of the video footage), Mr. Sabori has developed 1- and 2-cylinder engines. The one-cylinder engine includes a Plexiglas sleeve for viewing the reaction.
Sabori is said to have subsequently developed a technology superior to Papp, using small amounts of Helium, Neon, Argon, Krypton, Xenon, within a sealed vacuum.
The engine produces no exhaust, no combustion, and requires no cooling system. The two cylinder engine, which is being perfected and which is fully functional, puts out as high as 350 horsepower at low rpm, and 500 at higher rpms, such as 700 rpm.
According to mainstream science, it is not possible for inert gasses in a vacuum to produce substantial force. The Sabori video shows otherwise.
Transcription notes by Sterling D. Allan, March 15, 2006
0:00 - OSEN credit for video hosting; American Antigravity 2006 credit for production
0:15 "My name is Jimmy", comments to John
0:40 shows two cylinder engine, 400 HP; "works on a vacuum with inert gasses"; take energy from one cylinder, transfer to the other" then vise versa; coil, 24 V; alternator to charge batteries, to keep 24 V in battery; cam; coils, each separately functioning; switches for coils in timing sequence; variable resistors ("I create so much energy here, I have to get rid of it; 1000 V 600 A; can't use amps (now), could power house"; two batteries for spark plug and put 24 V in coils; engine basically runs by itself in vacuum, and void; from the vacuum and void"
3:38 Shows second engine; one cylinder; small Tesla coil; switch; variac for adjusting rpms; ria distributor; coil; spark discharger; cylinder with two coils (normal three); vacuum chamber in which spark goes "empty nothing"; slams piston; turns crank shaft
5:05 Shows "lab that I use to treat the gasses"; Tesla coil, wound one way, inside another coil another way; focus coil wound opposite; tubes break up gasses, bombard with cathode rays; goes into another "component"; x-ray tubes; high frequency tubes (actually cathode ray tube); run gasses in there and treat them; reverse polarity tube with iron filings to effect gasses; high frequency tubes; vacuum gauge; piston, draws a vacuum, goes up and down with crank shaft; anode cathode electrodes, create x-ray, gamma rays, effect the gasses, effects the positron; vacuum tube, gauge; tested gasses in tube, big explosion, to see release of energy, hundreds of experiments; "energy released from the atom"
8:05 Shows new lab, "windows 99" [meaning 1999? /96 also mentioned]; test gases in here; high frequencies; purifier; eliminate "cosmic radiation", purify gasses from cosmic radiation; "ionize gasses to perfection"; argon depolarizer; control panel (switches); magnetic coil, four, high frequency, gas going through center; prepare gasses here, and they'll be ready to put into the engine
9:33 Describes functionality: engine ready to run 10 years; no input fuel; no heat; no exhaust; no cooling system required; runs cool; very little maintenance; one moving part.
9:50 Shows gasses that he buys; buy raw, treat them; put into little bottle, ready to fuel any of my engines; take this too the moon; power for the next 10-20 years; "enough in here to fuel 10,000 vehicles for the next 10 years".
11:15 "I don't have any equipment" general view of lab; volt meter
ANOTHER VIDEO CLIP
11:55 - shows sparking inside Plexiglas tubes; coils; pistons running
ANOTHER VIDEO CLIP
13:05 HEADING: "The Ion-Electromagnetic Engine Concept"; One cylinder engine, Plexiglas, one coil, we want to see the reaction through Plexiglas; small amount of inert gasses; some transfer energy, some gasses cool cylinder, so not cooling system required; no fuel goes in.
13:55 Comment by videographer about what she observed visually, then on video. Describes mechanism of action. Ignition of gasses in piston. "inert gas produce light but not pressure"; "creates frequency that acts as antennae to draw in energy"
15:06 Frame by frame comment by Jimmy. No reaction, no blast; then green light.
15:30 Back to videographer: "positron drawn in, connect up with one electron; each blast is the firing of only one electron; plasma reaction; piston pushed down"; linear force, rather than 3-D force we are used to; forced in one direction; longitudinal energy released
VIDEO EXCERPTS FROM VARIOUS SHOOTINGS
16:22 Jimmy says, "we have a two cylinder engine that we are perfecting; all the components work"
16:29 Two guys showing piston assembly, taking apart; hold coils, three on each piston, used to create powerful electromagnetic force field;
16:58 Jimmy says "the uniqueness of this is that this engine is not radioactive, doesn't pollute, no danger, we don't pollute";
17:11 Two guys: "There's a top piston that comes down; seals the gasses, this goes up and down
17:22 Jimmy: "1000 ft-lbs of torque" compared to 250 ft-lb of normal car.
17:31 Two guys; 120 rpm; 519 ft-lb on dynamometer; head of piston, Teflon rings, seal piston, so no gasses can escape;
18:20 Jimmy: small amount of gas would cost about dollar to run engine for extended period of time.
18:48 Two guys, here is where you would replace the gasses, if you ever run out
19:05 Jimmy: "There's no limit; it could run 20 years, we don't know, we've not run it that long"
19:11 Two guys: Demo of bottom portion, turns it on, shows pistons going up and down
19:30 Jimmy: "This engine should be much cheaper than a standard combustion engine
19:40 Two guys, removing two batteries to show that engine will run w/o battery once engine is running; hand rheostat to adjust timing of engine; increase and decrease rpm of engine, 700 rpm. Two cylinder engine, 400 HP, "350 kW per hour" attaching generator; on frame, dyno to show power; engine producing its own energy, its own power; runs like regular car in terms of a "key" to turn on and off; generator and belt; resistors to dissipate ~300 amperes; drop engine low ~75 rpm, increased again.
22:45 VIDEOGRAPHER "we're watching something that has never been observed before"; comparison to particle accelerators surrounded by huge magnet... "one of few opportunities to watch an effect like this"
23:19 Jimmy: build six cylinder for 1000 HP
NEXT VIDEO EXCERPT
23:32 HEADING: "The Ion-Electromagnetic Engine Concept"; with historical background intro; "The Sabori Inert Gas Vacuum Engine"; forerunner brought to U.S. by Hungarian, Joseph Papp. Sabori joined him in 1985, investing a large sum of money in a joint venture, Mr. Papp refused to share, per agreement, ended in court in Tulsa OK in 1988; in settlement, judge instructed Papp to share with Sabori and to share ownership: Papp 51%, Sabori 49%; Papp died next year of colon cancer, and took technology to grave, having destroyed all ..., formulas, equations, leaving Sabori with nothing. During last five years, Mr. Sabori has developed 1 and 2-cylinder engines, including Plexiglas sleeve view. Sabori has now developed a technology superior to Papp, using small amounts of Helium, Neon, Argon, Krypton, Xenon, within a sealed vacuum. Engine produces no exhaust, no combustion, no cooling system; produces as high as 350 HP with two cylinder and low rpm; larger engines can be produced later. Video compiled from segments of poor quality.
26:04 HEADING: "Joe Papp, Jimmy Sabori & Ron Weiss; Daytona Beach, Florida, 1988". "In this section we will see several versions of engine in garage with dynamometer. Voiceover by Sabori. "Engine noise from mounting to plywood base. The engine itself is remarkably quiet."
(some repeat of earlier footage, but with added footage)
27:15 Removing 2 12-V Batteries to show engine will run w/o input energy.... (redundant from above). Engine will not shake or throw a rod. Very smooth at any rpm. Engine made to run at ~400, 500 rpm. Gearbox to increase rpm. Run rpm to 50.
31:00 Dyno shots begin. 121 rpm, 276 ft-lb torque. Engine running smooth. Put heavy load about 500 ft-lb. Heavy tractor type dynamometer. Engine steady at 120 rpm. Coupler to flywheel. Dyno cooled with water. Engine runs at about 130 - 140 F; you can touch it. No cooling system in engine. Lukewarm. Dyno has its own battery. Adjust rpms, increase torque. 116 rpm, 278 ft-lb. Can run engine at 100 HP at low rpm. Maximum HP 400. 113 rpm, 519 ft-lb). Could get up to 1000 ft-lb. 113 rpm 529 ft-lb. etc. 716 rpm 770 ft-lb (105 HP. Dynamometer got hot, engine did not.
36:08 (another engine?, not Jimmy?). 400 rpm; 1200 rpm; three guys in picture for photo op; hard to hear over noise of vibration of engine; poor video quality.
38:38 HEADING: "Jimmy & Jake Sabori; Tulsa, OK 1990". Voiceover: take apart engine to show components, cylinder chambers, cranking. Not running engine but one under development. Taking lid off top, tapping with hammer. Two cylinders, plastic, to hold coils on each piston, three per piston, "to create powerful electromagnetic force field". Take coils off from around inner piston. "The only moving part of engine." Unscrew cylinder tops to reveal bottom piston. Bottom of cylinder, solid steel. Fuel piston. doughnut shape bottom. 3 cc inert gas inserted. Top piston comes in to seal gasses and run up and down. Removes second cylinder, unscrewing. Top part of piston, four cylindrical holes. Teflon rings around top to seal gasses. Stationary. Electrode, insulator. Take apart to see into crank shaft, connecting rod. Turned by hand to see piston motion up and down. Not enough light to see inside. Rod connected to crank shaft. Cylinder bottom keeps oil from shooting out. Take these off to refuel, if it ever runs out of fuel. Calculated that it will run 10,000 hours. Something else will break, replace it, before engine runs out of fuel.
46:15 - demonstration of bottom portion ran by starter.
46:41 - HEADING: "Jimmy Sabori, Will Brogdon & Larry Bonnell; Los Angeles, CA 1994". Voice over: Shows reaction through clear plexiglass sleeve of the firing piston, pushing piston, green light, slow motion. Nowhere is it considered possible in mainstream physics. Not supposed to be possible for innert gasses, especially in a partial vacuum, to produce any significant force, not to mention one sufficient to push a piston.
51:19 - Nov. 3, 1994 at "city of Angels"; two tests. "B-engine", gasses only; then take gasses from there, with syringe; then put them into other one-cylinder engine that "is just like two cylinder engine".
54:15 - Nov 5, 1994, "City of Angels"; test on B engine using only capacitor as input power.
57:49 - Reporting on previous: "Fired fourth generation gasses"; ... "everything is leaking out"; "Going to try it one more time"
59:32 - high-fives, ending
59:54 "The foregoing video was assembled from archival video documentation clips for research purposes only and never intended for public scrutiny"
Ken Rauen's remarks: Where the real action is at
Ken Rauen is a member of New Energy Congress, and science advisor to PES Network. He has had extensive direct involvement with the Joseph Papp engine technology.
From: "Ken Rauen"
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NEC-TechRev] Fw: Noble Gas Engine Video
This is old stuff, and I have seen it before. Jimmy Sabori, who leads and narrates most of the one hour composite video, worked with Joseph Papp in the last couple of years of Papp's life in the late '80s. Since then, Jimmy has been working with a few other people and on his own. The "flashes" you saw occurred in an LA workshop in the '90s, and those were all he ever achieved. Neither engine, the clear single cylinder engine or the two cylinder engine, ever ran. The one cylinder engine only turned over one cycle at a time as you saw, and the two cylinder one never even fired, as far as I know. I know Jimmy in person; he lives in San Jose, about 20 miles from me.
Jimmy is still at it, but has not demonstrated a thing in years. For all practical purposes, he is all talk and no action.
In recent years, Mark Hugo, in Minneapolis, has gone further than Jimmy ever has in repeating and understanding the gas discharges. There also is a group in San Jose named Infinite Horizons that demonstrated flashes around 2000 that the famous cold fusion researcher, Michael McKubre from SRI International, has investigated and states is at least 10:1 "OU," releasing ten times more energy than it took to fire the electrodes that create the pulsed plasma event. IH is out of money and is hibernating.
Clean Energy, Inc., in Palo Alto, CA, where I worked while we had funding in 2004, took on a methodical approach that only resulted in determining what does not work. What remained to be tested from the Papp recipe is now classified as proprietary information, and CEI is preparing to resurface with new funding this year. I will be part of that team and so will Michael McKubre. Hugo might be part of the team, too.
In the following correspondence, Ken responds to the question, Does Sabori's work quality fo be listed in the top 100?
From: "Ken Rauen"
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [NEC-TechRev] Top100: Sabori's nobel gas engine
NO!!! Not Sabori!!! He is a black hole for investment! Put Clean Energy, Inc., in there instead!!! CEI is in FAR better position to go anywhere, and, yes, the Papp engine is real. There are no gimmicks. Its only problems are that the science is still not fully understood, the technology is not established with repeatability yet, and it MIGHT be a nuclear reaction with bad radiation components; Papp did die of colon cancer, possibly from standing right next to his engines for so long. This is speculation on my part, but there is evidence that the nuclear explanation is not out of the question. Not all nuclear reactions have been cataloged, and what is going on here might be one of those.
Once CEI gets its currently contracted $2 million (the prior $10 million contract is in default) investment, it will likely take a year to figure out a commercializable process and another year to get products for sale.
In the following, Ken responds to the question, What is the two-cylinder prototype we see being tested in the video on the dynamometer?
From: "Ken Rauen"
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NEC-TechRev] Fw: Noble Gas Engine Video
Jimmy is a con artist. That was Papp's engine! Papp is the fellow in the video with the blue and green flowery shirt. It was filmed in Papp's garage in Florida in 1983, long before Sabori appeared on the scene!!! Jimmy never says it is his engine, but he slyly catches a ride on Papp's coat-tails!
That dynamometer demonstration was proof for the USPTO that it ran; a certified dyno lab associated with the University of Oklahoma or Nebraska (I forget which) traveled to Florida to do the testing. The test ran for over an hour and the two 12V car batteries used to start the 24V system were disconnected during the run.
It is real, but Jimmy doesn't have it.
Jimmy says lots of things that lead people all over the place. Jimmy had an investor two years ago who put $150k into Jimmy's work, and Jimmy showed me his lab at that time, with dust on everything! The investor left in disgust a year ago, after he and Jimmy attended the New Energy Movement conference in Portland.
From: "Ken Rauen"
To: "Tim Ventura"
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Sabori Video Clip
I said little else about the Papp engine for two reasons: 1) Sterling has posted considerable information about the Papp engine from me, and 2) Infinite Energy published an entire issue on Papp in 2003, issue #51. See http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html .
The Feynman episode is examined in detail. There is a living eye-witness to the event who was involved behind the scenes BEFORE the explosion, so he knew very keenly what took place during that key 5 minute event. Feynman's story is very jaded.
My writing style unfortunately reflects the facts and circumstances surrounding the Papp saga. It is not just science and technology; it is a lot of people stuff, soap opera style, and very real. Papp was a paranoid inventor and everyone around him seemed to just have dollar signs in their eyes, and shit happened.
Despite the Peyton Place events, the facts remain solid: the engine was witnessed by too many reliable people, in detail, that the events cannot be dismissed as hoaxes, especially with the dynamometer measurement and the eye-witness accounts by many people, including that professional engineer and another person, the last mechanic to work with Papp. The engineer's testimony is public record; read IE #51. The mechanic's is proprietary property of Clean Energy, Inc.
Two last words: if Feynman was correct in his assertion that Papp placed explosives in the engine, then there is no way that Feynman and CalTech would have settled out of court from Papp's lawsuit that Feynman interfered. Ponder that one!
And number two: how could a 4-cylinder Volvo engine, modified by Papp, run at 3000 rpm on a 100 foot extension cord from 110 VAC? That takes several horsepower to do! An alternator can't do that! Neither can a starter, and certainly not at that speed! A battery just barely cranks an engine at 200 rpm with a monstrous load on the battery! There also were no other electric motors found in the exploded engine, nor was there a step-down transformer to the starter or alternator that could handle kilowatts of power! This is just one compelling event; there are more.
Unfortunately, I cannot say how the Papp engine likely runs. That information is ENTIRELY proprietary right now. All other speculation on how the engine runs is garbage, and just wild speculation.
I will give you one hint, from nature: the Compton gamma-ray satellite observatory found gamma-ray bursts coming from intense thunderstorms on Earth! Electric fields appear to be capable of producing nuclear reactions, as demonstrated by nature. As far as I know, nuclear reactions are the only sources of gamma-rays. I am not implying the Papp engine creates gamma-rays. I am saying it MIGHT be nuclear-powered from electric arcs.
From: "Ken Rauen"
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Couple More Sabori Notes
The Papp engine explosion was not filmed. The Papp cannon explosion in the Mojave Desert that same year, 1968, was filmed on a home movie camera. The quality is poor, and a DVD of it is available for sale at http://www.infinite-energy.com.
- The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp's Noble Gas Engine - Feature article by the late Eugene Mallove. (Infinite Energy; Issue 51, 2003)
- Jimmy Sabori's noble gas page
- John Hutchison
- Google > "Jimmy Sabori"
- American AntiGravity coverage of this story
NOBLE GAS ENGINES FOOTER
- Directory:Bob Rohner's Noble Gas Engine