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Exp. 13 Continuous Rotation of Conditioned Batteries

The tell-tale test.

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'Experiment 13 from Sterling D. Allan's Replication of John Bedini's Directory:Bedini SG'

Ran from Nov. 22 through Nov. 28, 2004.

Summary : Peter Lindemann has reported that he has witnessed John Bedini rotate one battery on the front end with four on the back end, taking turns, continuously powering one of the Bedini circuits for six months straight. After 2.5 months of preparation, "conditining" my batteries, I have now in this experiment attempted a replication of this effect using the Bedini SG circuit. Thought I saw a gradual diminishing of the voltage of the batteries over the six days, the rate of decline is slight enough to encourage the possibility that external (e.g. "radiant" / "aetheric") energy was being tapped.

Follow-up Experiment :
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Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:PES:Sterling Allan:Data:Exp14.2 Steady State Discharging - Provides a control for Exp. 13.1, showing steady state discharge for all ten 6V batteries with no load or charge, after they have been supercharged again. (Dec. 3-10)

Data

Raw

Data (Excel Spreadsheet) - not a comprehensive listing of all data taken, but representative of the major points. Includes notations of when the resistance of the circuit was modified as well as what the input/output currents were. Notes which batteries were on input, as well as occasional readings of speed of rotation of the wheel.

: Average voltage readings in bold are points in which all individual batteries were measured, and averaged with the sum measurements, for a composite that is more accurate than just taking the sum readings and calculating an average. For example, though the bank of batteries my exhibit a net voltage, in parallel, of 13.03 volts, the eight individual batteries comprising the bank (2x 4 in parallel) might have individual voltage readings 6.49 to 6.53 volts.

: The relative meter accuracy for voltages was to two digits to the right of the decimal place, but a 0.005 half way point can be determined from the flickering between two readings as the meter rounds up/down at that point. I used the same meter for all voltage readings reflected here, corroborated by a second meter (not including the third, which was malfunctioning).

: The amp meter has an accuracy of +/- 0.001 amp.

Deceleration Data - for calculating the energy required to maintain the wheel in motion. (Directory:Bedini SG:Calculations:Deceleration for equations)

Graphs

Input and Output Voltages Over Time
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Notes

The sudden jogs are where the batteries were rotated. The input battery moving to the output/charging position sees its voltage jump rapidly. Its voltage comes up to the same voltage as the bank of batteries fairly quickly, at which point it is joined with the bank. The seemingly anomalous jumps in the input battery voltage is a function of a battery from the bank being brought over into the input position. These facets are more easily seen in the ~23-hour close-up graph below.

The initial drop of average voltage is a function of some of the batteries having just come off a charge cycle before the commencement of this experiment. I should have waited about three days to let the batteries equilibrate with no charge/discharge before commencing. Some of the net drop can be ascribed to this factor.

No data was taken for about 24 hours surrounding Thanksgiving holiday, Nov 24-25, during which time two sets of input batteries were in place so as to not discharge too much during the absence.

The extended cycle of the second day was a result of an instrument error that made me think the input voltage was rising dramatically over time, when in fact it was gradually dropping. The data presented here do not include the aberrant data. The gap in input data on the second day is a result of this malfunctioning meter data being discarded.

In the first few rotation cycles, note that there is a slight rise in the input voltage after an initial drop. The raw data sheet above shows this more clearly. Look in data column three for "input" voltage.

The jumble of voltage readings in the fifth day was a result of trying some higher rotation speeds per Peter Lindemann's coaching comment that said that the best effect is seen with a higher rotation speed in which the input and output currents are optimally efficient. Two such positions were found (one after the transistor was burnt out due to disconnecting and reconnecting the positive lead to the bank several times in short succession [trying to connect the male/female terminals]) of fairly high rotation speed, with a good input-output current ratio. The data shows that the rate of average voltage drop was greater during that time, which is most likely a function of the increased friction of rotation at the higher speed.

The very last sudden rise in the average voltage was when a very high resistance (ohms) was put in place in the circuit, with very low rotation speed of the wheel.

~23-Hour Close-up
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Average Voltage Over Time
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I printed this image out and drew a straight line extrapolating the average over time over the six days, then calculated the slope.

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I extrapolated a slope of -0.2164 volts over 6 days per battery, or 0.036 volts per day per battery, or 0.0015 volts per hour per battery.

Multiplied by ten batteries involved, this comes to a drop of 0.015 volts per hour total for the entire set combined on average.

The question is if this rate of drop, taking into consideration the current involved and the frictional losses of the wheel rotation, is indicative of an "over unity" situation in which the energy of the batteries alone is not sufficient to sustain the system, and that this bespeaks infusion of some kind of outside energy by virtue of the Bedini circuit.

The unusual characteristics of batteries, and the myriad of variables involved in their performance, makes such a determination very difficult to derive.

Average Voltage Juxtaposed with Input/Output Voltage Over Time
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Discussion

Posts to Bedini_SG Group During Experiment

It's Working - Nov. 23 post when I had not yet discovered that one of my volt meters was malfunctioning.

Wiring and Resistor Photos - Of this set-up, but of general interest to this project.

correction (bad/good news) Re: It's working - Though one of my meters was determined to be malfunctioning, I did still see a rise in average voltage over time but it was too close and not sustained long enough to draw an definitive conclusions. (Nov. 23)

Average is Down - Nov. 25 typo correction.

Rotating w/o shut-off - Reported a method derived of rotating the batteries without having to disconnect the circuit. (Nov. 28)

calculating energy required to maintain rotation using deceleration data - Input from my dad for deriving a rough estimate. (Nov. 30)

Credits : Special thanks to the members of Bedini_SG discussion group who have contributed to the knowledge base of this project. In particular, Ron Frazier helped create the templates for the graphs presented here.

Observations

I had both rotation and audible solid state resonance above around 1.5k ohms. The ring of the coil pulsated with each pass of a magnet.

When I changed my transistor, the ohms to rpm profile changed significantly, and I had to remap a region to run the rotor at greatest input-output efficiency.

The neon bulb is in the circuit to prevent burn-out of the transistor. However, I have found that it is not that strong of a defense, and that jostle the output leads, it puts too much stress on the circuit and blows the transistor. When so much time has been put into mapping the performance of the system, and that map is particular to a transistor, you don't want to go blowing your transistor.

When I had my amp meter inline with the output charge (left it in place inadvertently over night on the last leg of the experiment), the charge efficiency dropped significantly, as seen in the data by when the meter was removed. The rotation speed increased by 1/3 when I removed the meter.

On Nov. 26, at a lower ohms resistance in the circuit, I saw the opposite effect. The wheel decreased in speed significantly when I disconnected the meter to the output bank. Apparently the resistance to the output batteries is one of the variables of the system that effects both rotation speed and the input-output current ratio. This creates a problem for seeking the optimal set-up, because the very measurement introduces a different outcome.

I could only go up to about 1.9k ohms with the amp meter in line. With it removed, I went up as high as 2.6k ohms and sustained both rotation and solid state resonance.

Conclusions

There is probably enough information in this report to determine whether a state of "over unity" has been achieved or not. I personally do not have the formulas at my beck and call to be able to calculate the total efficiency of the system. However, perhaps someone viewing this report will, and can provide their professional input. It seems to me, from a rough estimate vantage point, that the rate of net discharge is slow enough to suggest that the system is at least approaching a 100% efficiency (meaning that there are no circuitry losses in keeping the wheel spinning).

The low rotation speed regions of this experiment exhibited the least voltage drop. There is not enough data to compare the rate of voltage drop versus increased current draw at the higher rotation speed regions.

What I am after, to prove most decisively and clearly for the lay person that there is external energy coming into this system, is continual rotation with no net diminishing in average voltage over time. Based on this experiment, I'm guessing that such an occurrence, if it is to be found in this set-up, will occur at a low rpm, where the input current and rotation frictions are lowest.

We can safely say that this particular circuit as constructed in this case is not an obvious method for tapping "radiant" or "aetheric" energy. However, this experiment does not rule out the possibility of such being a factor to at least some extent in this set-up. Further experimentation is warranted.

I plan on re-winding my coil with more turns of wire before commencing another round. Meanwhile, I am recharging the batteries in preparation for another run. The other modification recommended early on by Peter Lindemann, was to go to 12-V batteries rather than 6-V in series as I have done here. However, considering the time and resources invested in these 6V batteries, I plan to stick with the batteries I've already conditioned. He did say at the outset that the system would work with anything from a 6V up to a 24V battery. My intention was to go with the most affordable as an easily reproducible public demonstration of new energy. So far, that objective has turned out to be more difficult than first hoped, but I am not yet satisfied that this system might not yet be salvageable as capable of proving new energy technology to the world in a fairly straight-forward way.

At a minimum, there are some electrical anomalies about this system that should be of interest to mainstream science, whether or not it actually taps into radiant/aetheric energy. In this age of battery systems in all manner of gadgets, with the objective of faster charge, longer duration of the charge, and longer life of the battery, there are likely to be some ingredients here that could be of benefit.

Experimental Set-up

I'm using the Directory:Bedini SG:Schematic and Directory:Bedini SG:Assembly Instructions as defined in this project, and as reported in Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:PES:Sterling Allan.

Procedure

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The experiment involved ten 6-V Panasonic 4.2Ah batteries arranged in five sets of two (in series), effectively making five "12-V batteries." Each of the 6V batteries had been individually "supercharged" by my Bedini SG circuit replication. Most of the batteries had spent several weeks exposed to the circuit. This was done to "condition" the batteries in preparation for this experiment. Most of the time, one "12-V Battery" ran the circuit on the "front end," and four batteries were charged on the "back end" of the circuit. I then rotated one battery from the back end to the front end, in turn. Before connecting the recent "front end" battery directly to the back end bank of batteries after its turn on the front end, I hook the circuit directly up to it to bring it up to the same voltage as the bank, and then connect it.

Rotating w/o shut-off - Reported a method I derived of rotating the batteries without having to disconnect the circuit. (Began implementation on Nov. 26, 7:45 pm)

Materials

Multimeter by UNI-T, Model UT60A, with accuracy of three digits to the right of the decimal point for current readings.

Optical/digital tachometer by MPJa.com (DT2234A)

Ten 6V Panasonic-BSG 4.2Ah/20h sealed lead acid batteries part number LC-R064R2P from Digikey.com.

Data Sheet | photo | catalogue

See also

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Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:PES:Sterling Allan:Data:Exp14.2 Steady State Discharging - Compares Steady State Discharge with Average Voltage Drop During Continuous Rotation of Conditioned Batteries. Dec. 3-10.

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