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Archive of the Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo from May 13, 2015 -- disassembly of their 5 kW system demonstration.

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Endoscopic Camera photos
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Detlef Dohmen, Chairman of Rosch, provided the following document showing the waterproof endoscopic camera they had purchased, which they said is the reason for the hole at the top of the AuKW system, which they ended up not using, so they put duct tape over it. (The skeptics had been speculating that this hole was for the exit of a hidden power cable.)

Bilder_Deckel_Kameras.pdf (pdf 6.2 Mb)

That's a massive generator shown over on the right. I would guess 500 kW. Maybe part of their utility scale operation?

-- SilverThunder 19:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cable on the floor was power cord for charging lift
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You can see from the photo that the cord does go up to the lift.

: From: Detlef Dohmen

: To: Sterling Allan

: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 12:17 PM

: Subject: Re: cord in Gaia AuKW photo

: Hi [Sterling],

: ...The wire you mentioned is the charger for the lifter.

: ...Our generators are not able to be used as a motor. JD and a lot of the other customers, [went into] the second hall after the demounting. Its our production area, so for sure, there are always wires around.

: Regards

: Detlef

And here's the latest from the die-hard skeptic from Overunity.com

: From: Stefan Hartmann

: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:40 AM

: Subject: Re: Gaia AuKW

: Hi Sterling,

: I made another thread with all the evidence and all the pictures that lead to believe that it was really all faked in Spich.

: http://overunity.com/15773/gaia-rosch-aukw-auftriebskraftwerk-kpp-why-it-does-not-work

: Regards, Stefan.

I don't believe that the people of the caliber of Rosch and GAIA would be pulling a scam.

-- SilverThunder 19:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Contents of Smaller Control Box
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During disassembly day, someone found out that this (standard equipment, thumbnail shown at right) is what was inside the smaller controller box.

: We know the antenna on the small cabinet is the GMS type and we found the company that has their branding sticker inside the other cabinet has a Controller board with GSM option. This might be the board inside the small cabinet...

: http://www.mikroe.com/picplc16/

: This board would be a logical and convenient pick because it has 16 relays on the board already.

The MikroElectronika manufacturer from Belgrade was also displayed in the larger cabinet.

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-- SilverThunder 17:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

AuKW disassembly attendee: Rosch preoccupied with utility projects

It sounds like GAIA needs to be sure they're in a position to handle the manufacturing, as Rosch is focused on Utility, and maybe looks at the 5 kW systems as an annoying side project.

Rosch's Chairman, Mr. Dohmen purportedly said: "Gaia, 2% of turn over, 98% of the hassle."

Here is an interesting report:

: From: willi meinders

: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:58 AM

: Subject: AUKW

: Dear Mr. Allan, I publish a German LENR-Blog

: http://fehnblog.npage.de/ [English]

: In addition, I [have been] following developments regarding Rosch´s AUKW. It´s fascinating-- the reaction of the mainstream is almost the same as that regarding LENR.

: One of my best friends –- a considerate [substantial?] and very experienced entrepreneur, also in the energy business -- was one of the participants of the dis-assambly-day in Troisdorf. According to him: Absolutely professional, very convincing, no signs of fraud.

: From members of the Rosch-Staff, he got to know [that] they [have] received large-scale orders from the South-African diamond Industry and from Italy, too. [Therefore,] as it seems, they are not very interested [in] manufacturing more than 500 items of the 5 KW-facilities.

: They are facing problems entering the German market with their bigger facilities. Assumingly, the reasons for this being the nuclear industry [being] on the retreat [for the past] one decade, and it will [take] years to get rid of the wind- and solar-industry. Their Lobby is very strong. Wind and Solar is better than Nuclear-Power, Oil and Gas, but not really smart because of their inefficiency.

: A very interesting detail: A building contractor offers residential buildings with an integrated AUKW.

: http://www.isd.immobilien/gravitationskraftwerk-fakten [English]

: I suppose the demand for the big Rosch-facilities is huge. But I suppose the demand for the small 5 KW Facilities is also enormous. Especially in Germany people are tired of constant changes on the energy-market and they feel the price for energy becomes increasingly sort of politically influenced taxation. As a consequence people attempt to become energy-self-sufficient. It is for that reason they buy expensive solar-panels or other devices. The AUKW would be a preferable alternative.

: Please feel free to publish my mail on your blog.

: Willi Meinders

-- SilverThunder 15:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Explanation of hole on top of KPP
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: From: Triantafillos Ktenidis

: Cc: Detlef Dohmen

: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:26 AM [Mountai]

: Subject: Rumors about KPP

: Dear Mr. Allan,

: I'm working for Rosch Innovations Germany GmbH. I were surfing around the internet and saw by chance that guys on the http://www.allmystery.de forum were talking about a hole on top of our 5KW kinetic power plant. Therefore I'm sending you a picture of it, to explain that there is no trick about this hole. Originally the hole was made for an endoscope camera, that we didn't install so we put duct tape over it to make sure the generator doesn't get wet.

: Moreover you see that there are sliding blocks to fasten the generator. I set some marks on the picture to show you the position.

: --

: With kind regards

: Triantafillos Ktenidis

: IT-Systems Developer

-- SilverThunder 19:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

J.D.'s video footage of May 13 AuKW disassembly

Here's a compilation video by J.D. of Directory:Global Breakthrough Energy Movement (BEM) who attended yesterday's disassembly.

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(YouTube May 14, 2015)

You can see the individual pieces that make up this compilation video at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCggjGrQ2c4Lk9i2mOE4zL5g

-- SilverThunder 21:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Heiko Erxleben's close-up photos from May 13 AuKW disassembly
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Heiko Erxleben's close-up photos from May 13 AuKW disassembly - Here are the photos of GAIA's 5 kW demo disassembly on May 13, attended by Heiko Erxleben. These photos just focus on the main points of contention: possible pass-through of a "hidden wire" at the points of connection on the floor and two wall posts. (Pure Energy Blog May 14, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 19:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

No Rust in Customer Units Next Steps
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By Congress:Founder:Sterling D. Allan

Pure Energy Systems News

May 14, 2015 5:45 GMT

I'm entering this as a separate item so it doesn't get lost in the midst of another post.

In my discussion with Roberto, I asked about the rust that we saw in the 5 kW AuKW system.

He said that the units that will be going out to customers will use plastic tubes, not steel. Everything else is stainless steel, so there will be no rust.

Also, another key point I should bring up, is that he said the next step in their process will be to prepare professional instruction manuals for training and installations.

Then, beginning in July, they plan to start training around 50 trainers with hands-on assembly of systems.

This mid-July, those trainers will go out to regions and have 10-15 customers come at a time to assemble their systems. They will rent a facility large enough for this, local to the customers in that area.

Each training session will be one week, as it takes about 40 man-hours to build a system.

Another key point that Roberto made is that international roll-out of this, electrically, shouldn't be a problem. The main task will be to get an inverter locally that can convert the 400 V, 50 Hz to whatever the local power requirements are.

We talked about the idea of doing an open license so that people could begin rolling this out internationally, and remit a 5% royalty on all sales, whether plans, kits, components, completed units, installation, servicing, franchises, etc. This was brainstorming, as they have not yet decided how they're going to roll it out after the 500 are delivered.

Even though the system appears relatively simple, there are some "tricky" parts that have to be done just right.

Roberto is hoping they can close on the sale of the first 500 by the end of May. Presently 350 are sold (with people having made the down-payment). The balance of the purchase will need to be made before people go to their class to assemble their own system.

He said most of the 772 people who attended the demonstration were customers and their associates who wanted to see the system in operation. Only less than a handful backed out, asking for their money back. The deadline for getting money back expires with the end of this demonstration today.

Another thing that came up was that Mr. Dohmen (Rosch Chairman) recommended that the 5 kW systems be installed underground to prevent freezing. Also a solar anti-freeze can be put in the water to prevent freezing. The continual turbulence in the water will also prevent freezing.

Roberto said that the 40 Euro fee for attending the demo was to cover costs, and still they came up short. The costs included security (the main expense), the buffet, and travel. People who had purchases a system didn't have to pay the entry fee and most of the visitors were customers.

-- SilverThunder 05:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Interview with Roberto while he was driving home from disassembly

After posting the photos below, I got a Skype call from Roberto Reuter (GAIA CEO) while he was on the last leg of his drive home. It was about 3 am his time, and I was glad to do an interview him to help him stay awake. J.D. was still up too, and joined us. Then in about the last half your, Stefan Hartmann, of Overunity.com joined in, still up as well. The whole conversation went about 2 hours. Maybe one of you would like to edit it to the key parts that might be interesting to everyone. I enjoyed the whole time together, but I'm a FE nerd.

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(YouTube / overunitydotcom May 14, 2015)

Here are the audio files that were integrated into the above compilation.

Part 1 (9 Mb mp3) (missing the first ~20 seconds)

Part2 (70 Mb mp3)

I was expecting more skepticism from Stefan, but actually, he seemed quite convinced that there could be something here after all.

For him, the turning point happened today.

Before Rosch took the system down, it ran for 3 hours on livestream, outputting 4.8 kW. And the livestream was then able to see that there were no hidden cables running to the system as it was taken down from the wall and disassembled, showing all of the inside compartments, both in the tube and in the control panels.

Stefan did the math on how long the system could have run on the size of battery that could have been concealed in the unseen portions of the control panel and he calculated that the longest it could have put out 4.8 kW would have been about 20 minutes.

He's still having a hard time with the science, but pretty much admitted that while he doesn't understand how it could work, the demonstration did seem convincing that it was working.

p.s. The reason Roberto cut out at the end was the battery on his phone died.

-- SilverThunder 05:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

J.D.'s photos from Disassembly Day
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J.D.'s photos from Disassembly Day (Pure Energy Blog May 13, 2015)

I plan on doing a recorded interview with him tomorrow, but some of J.D.'s comments to me on Skype include:

: 19:55 GMT: I just walked in pretty tired, was a long day. Working on the video right now, but might be uploaded tomorrow.

: 19:52 GMT: I got good footage and pictures. At some point you will need to let go of the remaining skepticism, I have no reasons [to think] the device is a fake.

: 19:57 GMT: I can send the pictures after dinner. Maybe I'll get a little fitter after having some food… on days like this I forget to eat.

: No holes in the wall whatsoever...

: I'm also invited for the 20kW demo... Soonish...

: GAIA is just a customer. I got the feeling, from a philosophy standpoint Rosch and Gaia come from different backgrounds.

: GAIA are the idealistic decentralized open thinkers / open source guys.

: Rosch is far more business orientated.

He said the hose to empty the system was about 1.5 inches [large], and that it took about 10 minutes to empty the tank using the pump (shown below).

Note that the cumulative power is 1954 kW-h, which, over 18 days (starting April 18, a week before the April 25 public demo began), comes to 108.6 kW-h/day, or 4.5 kW-h/h.

More...

-- SilverThunder 23:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

here's the bullet we put of for this piece:

Image:May13 JD AuKW disassembly sq 95x95.gif
Latest: Directory:Buoyancy > Directory:Thrust Kinetic Generator by Rosch Innovations AG > Directory:Gaia-Energy -- Global Association for Independent Energy & Altruism > Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo > J.D.'s photos from Disassembly Day - J.D. attended GAIA's 5 kW AuKW disassembly on May 13 at Rosch's facility and has provided us with photos and observations. He's convinced it is real. The cumulative power output of 1954 kW-h, over 18 days (starting April 18) came to an average of 4.5 kW continuous. (News:Pure Energy Blog May 13, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 20:52, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Screen Shots from 5 kW Take-Down
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Screen Shots from GAIA's 5 kW AuKW Take-Down, May 13 - Here are a bunch of screenshots that Stuart Campbell and I took from the livestream during the disassembly of GAIA-Energy's five kilowatt AuKW system designed by Rosch, at Rosch' facility in Cologne, Germany. (Pure Energy Blog May 13, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 17:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Stefan Hartmann of http://Overunity.com writes:

: Hi Sterling,

: I recorded the dismantling process today.

: Unfortunately I missed the switch off of the AuKW, but at least I captured all the later stuff pretty well.

: These are bilingual Videos English-German language.

: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3M0uBASnV4

: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIiaU74xRP4

: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4--SdBE0z64

: Regards, Stefan.

-- SilverThunder 18:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Curtain Call for the 5Kw AuKW

Story written by Stuart Campbell

Weds 13 May 2015 at 7.30pm New Zealand Time

In about 5 hours, more like 6 hours, the dismantling of AuKW begins. Right now there has been no re-commencement of the livestream, dis-appointing, but I am hopeful that this will happen as the Rosch

work-day commences.

JD is at the event as a witness. He has been before, so will be armed with a lot more knowledge and a lot more questions. And his camera.

Once again for Sterling and myself this is an overnight event, so we will do our best to keep you up to-date.

Right now its just a matter of waiting. Its 9.30am Cologne time.

At 2.15pm Cologne Time, the Live-stream has finally started. The meter board and the instrument panel have been taken out of the circuit. No sign of any people yet. In this live-stream we can see the Green flashing lights on the panel (not seen for some time).

At 2.20pm Cologne Time, Gaia AuKW is running:

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At 2.36pm Cologne Time, this is the new YouTube channel to watch:

: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry2BIvaVseQ

At 2.41pm Cologne Time, 30 people now watching the Live-stream.

At 2.55pm Cologne Time. Rosch/Gaia advises "The AUKW degrades About 15 clock"

At 2.59pm Cologne Time, 41 people now watching the Live-stream.

At 3.15pm Cologne Time, 50 people now watching the Live-stream. But show-time has not yet commenced. No sign of any people.

At 3.21pm Cologne Time, the show begins. The Security Guard pushes the OFF button, stares at the camera (for his Hollywood Contract) and then moves out of sight.

The crew start pulling all the "load" off the equipment.

At 3.24pm Cologne Time, the gear (Load) is removed:

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At 3.24pm Cologne Time, a hose is put in the top to pump the water out. Clearly there is no tap on the bottom of the tube for doing this:

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At 3.34pm Cologne Time, the hoist arrives. Notice the new labels on the 20Kw unit:

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At 3.38pm Cologne Time, the air pump is removed. Next the generator:

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At 3.42pm Cologne Time, 62 people now watching the Live-stream.

At 3.45pm Cologne Time, the rotation sensor is removed. Next the generator:

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At 3.53pm Cologne Time, the heavy generator is lowered down:

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At 4.01pm Cologne Time, a tidy up of the remaining "junk" on top. The hose is still in there pumping water out:

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At 4.05pm Cologne Time, next the brackets are unbolted from the wall:

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At 4.09pm Cologne Time, 59 people now watching the Live-stream. The vid-cam is moved to get a better shot of the Tube (about to be lowered).

-- DJSTU 07:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Screen Shots from GAIA's 5 kW AuKW Take-Down, May 13 - Here are a bunch of screenshots that Stuart Campbell and I took from the livestream during the disassembly of GAIA-Energy's five kilowatt AuKW system designed by Rosch, at Rosch' facility in Cologne, Germany. (Pure Energy Blog May 13, 2015)

-- SilverThunder 17:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Continuation

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 6(+) Measurement Day - going back in time

http://www.gaia-energy.org - Official blog

See also

ROSCH FOOTER

Directory:Thrust Kinetic Generator by Rosch Innovations AG - focusing on utility-scale

Blog:Rosch's 15 kW and 100 kW Demo

Event:2015:June: Rosch 15 kW and 100 kW Demo Measurement

Directory:Gaia-Energy -- Global Association for Independent Energy & Altruism - licensee to produce 5 kW home power system

Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo - 5 kW production prototype demonstrated running continuously from April 25 - May 6, 2015

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 13 Disassembly Day

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 6(+) Measurement Day

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: May 1-5, Surpassed 1 MW-h

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: April 25-30, Including Coverage on Outage

2015 Archive:Blog:GAIA's AuKW Demo: Prior to April 25 Demo Launch

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